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Old 05-20-2018, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Waterside Greene is a primary location for ICAR students without cars, and has long been a preferred stop for shuttles, etc.

Car operations costs go towards maintenance, insurance, and fluids, well over $1000. Money that can be applied toward education to springboard students into a career instead of debt that traps them for the rest of their lives.

And the Center for Manufacturing Innovation is a poster child for students who need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get a career for a reasonable investment in time and educational expenses. These students won't have money to splurge on a car for a variety of reasons. Having the CMI served by bus lines gives them a chance to succeed.
So they can afford tuition at Clemson, an apartment at Watergreene with utilities, but they can't afford a car or find a ride with a friend?

HOw do they get to places not on the Greenlink route? Why is the mall on that route if they don't have any money?

How are they able to get to interviews at companies after they graduate? There probably won't be a bus to take them to potential employers for an interview..

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Old 05-20-2018, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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If the south is so bad, why do so many people move here.

I think the middle class users of the bus system ought to be paying higher fares.

You could also donate money to the bus system.
Did I say the south was bad? I’ve lived in Greenville my entire life. I’d rather give my money to charity instead.
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Old 05-20-2018, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Did I say the south was bad? I’d rather give my money to charity instead.
I thought that is what you were implying.

I think the bus system in Greenville is on par with similar size cities outside of the south with similar dynamics.
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Old 05-20-2018, 05:16 PM
 
Location: Greenville, SC
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I thought that is what you were implying.

I think the bus system in Greenville is on par with similar size cities outside of the south with similar dynamics.
Definitely not. I was just saying that the south overall has subpar mass transit compared to the rest of the country.
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Old 05-20-2018, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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Definitely not. I was just saying that the south overall has subpar mass transit compared to the rest of the country.
Charleston doesn't have same dynamics as Greenville. It has several large colleges downtown plus a lot more tourism.

And just because Charleston has more buses doesn't mean they are necessary or could not be funded with user fees.

I would think Atlanta, Charlotte and other large metros in the south have more extensive mass transit than smaller metros outside of the south. Mass transit becomes more viable as population increases because commute times are so high it is as time efficient to use mass transit.

Driving from Waterford Greene on Woodruff to ICAR is going be much quicker than riding the bus.

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Old 05-21-2018, 08:58 AM
 
Location: Soda City
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What bus routes have you taken in Greenville and how often did you ride them? I can't see why a visitor would be riding a bus in Greenville unless you mean the downtown trolley. Most of the buses run to areas the average visitor would not visit.

I would think USC and other colleges being located in downtown Columbia boosts the bus ridership. I think I read the Clemson-Seneca-Anderson bus system had the 2nd highest ridership in the state.
I donít have to ride a bus to be able to look inside and see how dead it is.
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Old 05-21-2018, 09:02 AM
 
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So they can afford tuition at Clemson, an apartment at Watergreene with utilities, but they can't afford a car or find a ride with a friend?

HOw do they get to places not on the Greenlink route? Why is the mall on that route if they don't have any money?

How are they able to get to interviews at companies after they graduate? There probably won't be a bus to take them to potential employers for an interview..
I'm pretty sure this route is at least partially funded by Clemson's student bus fee. Some of the students in the program are foreign students that don't have a license to drive in the US.
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Old 05-21-2018, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Greenville SC 'Waterfall City'
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I don’t have to ride a bus to be able to look inside and see how dead it is.
Ok, so you live in Columbia but you've spent a significant amount of time in Greenville looking into buses that you don't ride. I don't see how a non-user of the bus system can be a credible reviewer. You are the same person that said Clemson is an easy college even though you didn't attend Clemson.

If it is true that the buses are empty , then it is amusing people are saying the bus system is subpar. A service is being provided despite little demand for it.

I've been on the Greenville bus a few times. There were 10 people or so and some people got off and other people got on. And it was on schedule.

One day I'm going to ride the one that runs between ICAR and the mall to see how many people are on it.

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Old 05-21-2018, 07:19 PM
 
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I'm late to this conversation, but a few years ago the guy who ran the CAT spoke at my Rotary Club, ( boy, that dates me).


He bragged that CAT had better cash flow BECAUSE IT WAS FREE! He said that the per head federal subsidy on free buses was more than he could hope to clear by charging a fee, and that he now was a successful consultant helping other small cities make their bus systems FREE to get bigger federal subsidies!


Me and the other old goats at Rotary looked at each other dumbfounded.


I guess that bussing foreign students for free to ICAR/Greenville goes further toward making Clemson a "world class university" than educating more SC kids with modest means.


He then went on to say that some of the extra cash flow was being used to promote CAT as something other than the Looser Cruiser, so I guess the "cool kids" at Clemson now ride the bus.
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Old 05-22-2018, 07:08 AM
 
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I'm late to this conversation, but a few years ago the guy who ran the CAT spoke at my Rotary Club, ( boy, that dates me).


He bragged that CAT had better cash flow BECAUSE IT WAS FREE! He said that the per head federal subsidy on free buses was more than he could hope to clear by charging a fee, and that he now was a successful consultant helping other small cities make their bus systems FREE to get bigger federal subsidies!


Me and the other old goats at Rotary looked at each other dumbfounded.


I guess that bussing foreign students for free to ICAR/Greenville goes further toward making Clemson a "world class university" than educating more SC kids with modest means.


He then went on to say that some of the extra cash flow was being used to promote CAT as something other than the Looser Cruiser, so I guess the "cool kids" at Clemson now ride the bus.
On campus, pretty much everyone rides the bus. The commuter lots are far enough away from classes in many cases to make it impractical to walk. The buses also run from campus to most of the nearby apartment complexes and shopping. My daughter rarely drove her Freshman year because the bus went almost everywhere she needed to go. So, those "SC kids with modest means" are using the CAT system.
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