Thinking of moving to Greenville (Columbia, Sumter: houses, college, living)

[CominFromWhereImFrom]

Originally Posted by southernnative

CominFromWhereImFrom,

I have not lived in Greenville, but I lived in Spartanburg and worked in Greenville for several years. I do think that you will find the people there to be mostly conservative. Even the immigrants tend to be conservative. When the national strike took place, those in Greenville (with the exception of one business, I think) chose not to participate.

Although you are certainly welcome to move anywhere you please, I would suggest that you not go there with the idea that most of the population will have ideas similar to yours. Your posts portray you as pretty liberal. You won't find a lot of people who think like you do in the upstate of South Carolina.

southernative-
Thank you for your response, it's good to get a 'Local' response concerning the socio-political-religious climate of upstate SC. I really appreciate the strike example that you gave, as this is the type of information that I am interested in gathering. My posts may be 'interpreted' liberal though this is not my intent in this forum. If you look at my original post, I was interested in finding out more information as to how the climate has changed over the last decade. I grew up in Columbia SC, and I am filopino. I am never mentioned that I am looking for a people who think like I do, nor did I mention that it is a requirement for relocating. Please try to understand, that it goes both ways, by sending the message to live somewhere else it depicts a fearful mentality that liberal ideas are better dealt with by sending them somewhere else. I believe in critical thinking which means creating a dialog not ending it or sending it somewhere else. Otherwise, it comes accross that conservatives are threatened by any form of open-mindedness.

Again thank you for the response and please any other LOCALS please respond with your experiences.

[anonymous]

I thought it was 'filipino'? Is it 'filopino' ?

To be fair, you did "Get on the soapbox". I understand, though, you weren't trying to promote a political agenda.

But you did move from Columbia (conservative) to Massachussetts (liberal). You mentioned the primary reason for returning to SC was based on your family (not, presumably, because of the political climate). You also lumped conservatives and racists together in the same category.

These were all factors in you being interpreted as liberal, and from what I can tell, conservatives and liberals both tend to live in areas with like-minded people.

[Sonrise]

Comin,
This is the 3rd time I'll suggest this, lemme know if you'll consider it. Asheville, NC. Check it out.

[Sonrise]

Why do you call us close-minded if we hab=ve an opinion that differs from your own? if you're tolerant you have to be tolerant to ideas that differ from your own. I'm going to speak in broad generalizations for a sec but I've found that liberal tolerance is the greatest oxymoron in the US. Keep in mind, I don't believe in unconditional tolerance. That leads to moral relativism which in turn leads to a "if it feels good do it" menatlity, i.e no judgments about right and wrong can be made. That's why I'm a conservative.

[CominFromWhereImFrom]

Originally Posted by anonymous

I thought it was 'filipino'? Is it 'filopino' ?

To be fair, you did "Get on the soapbox". I understand, though, you weren't trying to promote a political agenda.

But you did move from Columbia (conservative) to Massachussetts (liberal). You mentioned the primary reason for returning to SC was based on your family (not, presumably, because of the political climate). You also lumped conservatives and racists together in the same category.

These were all factors in you being interpreted as liberal, and from what I can tell, conservatives and liberals both tend to live in areas with like-minded people.

Anon-

First, yes, it is spelled 'filipino', thank you for pointing that out (I am a bad typer:-)
I apologize if it appeared that I 'lumped' conservatives and racists together, that was not the intent, but looking at my original post I did use a '/' slash between racism and conservative. I never used the word 'racist', only 'racism'. Let's be clear that just because someone tends to be conservative does not imply that they are a racist by any form of the imagination, and more importantly does not make them bad people. Many of my friends are conservative, and we respectfully appreciate our differences of opinions.

So where do you live in SC and how long have you lived there? Any good experiences and/or suggestions pertaining to the area you wish to mention (whether conservative or liberal?

[CominFromWhereImFrom]

Originally Posted by Sonrise

Comin,
This is the 3rd time I'll suggest this, lemme know if you'll consider it. Asheville, NC. Check it out.

Sonrise,
Thank you for the suggestion again, for the 3rd time!!
Why is so important for you to keep suggesting Asheville if you are so open-minded. Yes, I will consider it, but stop it already, I heard the suggestion the first time around.

[CominFromWhereImFrom]

Originally Posted by Sonrise

Why do you call us close-minded if we have an opinion that differs from your own? if you're tolerant you have to be tolerant to ideas that differ from your own. I'm going to speak in broad generalizations for a sec but I've found that liberal tolerance is the greatest oxymoron in the US. Keep in mind, I don't believe in unconditional tolerance. That leads to moral relativism which in turn leads to a "if it feels good do it" menatlity, i.e no judgments about right and wrong can be made. That's why I'm a conservative.

Your opinion is being pressed upon me Sonrise, don't you see that?
I have not suggested to you that you would be better off moving to Orange County CA? Maybe you should start your own post, and stop reacting to others... only a 'Suggestion'.

[anonymous]

It's no problem, CFWIF, I consider myself neither mainstream conservative nor liberal, so I don't take offense. It does seem that we've drifted off the original topic. I've lived in Columbia for 5 years, before that I was in Sumter for about 18.

I'm familiar with Greenville, many of my friends (and my roomate) grew up downtown. As far as Greenville having changed - well, in terms of politics, I don't think it has changed much in 10 years. Both statistically, and based on my experience there, it is very conservative.

If you have doubts about that, check out something called the "Christian Exodus". I went to their website, but it is difficult to find objective information through all the propaganda. They specify Greenville, SC as ground zero for their campaign. This is from Wikipedia:


Christian Exodus (the brainchild of math teacher Cory Burnell) is a group promoting a mass emigration of Christian fundamentalists to South Carolina in hopes of influencing the governmental process and creating a state wide theocracy in the United States. It has announced intentions to move people to selected cities and counties of South Carolina in stages, with each stage timed to influence a particular election cycle. They hope to eventually move more than 50,000 people.

According to their literature, Christian Exodus believes that the United States has strayed from its founding vision, and they refer to their program as "restoring" and "protecting" the nation and the Constitution. In particular, they focus on the following areas of concern, which would generally be classified as ultraconservative.

* To oppose the increasing acceptance of homosexuality, and especially of civil unions or outright gay marriage. The group appears to go as far as seeking to outlaw all sexual conduct outside of a traditional heterosexual marriage.
* To restore state-mandated school prayer.
* To repeal Federal and State laws that they believe violate the right to keep and bear arms.
* To repeal court rulings that they feel abuse the power of eminent domain, and that they fear will lead to arbitrary seizure.
* They fear laws will soon be passed defining the practice of Christianity as a hate crime.
* They feel the rights of fathers are not upheld in child custody cases.
* They argue against the validity of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which provides that states must provide due process of law, and that everybody born in the United States is a citizen.
* They advocate repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which permits the taxation of all forms of income by the Federal Government.
* They advocate repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which requires popular election of Senators.
* They advocate that the states should have power to prohibit the immigration and/or naturalization of such persons as each sees fit to exclude.


I'm not passing judgement on these beliefs, but it is safe to say these guys are pretty conservative.

[Marks]

Originally Posted by CominFromWhereImFrom

Your opinion is being pressed upon me Sonrise, don't you see that?
I have not suggested to you that you would be better off moving to Orange County CA? Maybe you should start your own post, and stop reacting to others... only a 'Suggestion'.

Comin,

If I might jump in here concerning your comment to Sonrise. You stated, "Your opinion is being pressed upon me Sonrise, don't you see that?"

This is exactly what you were asking in your first post, "Looking to hear from local Greenvillians and surrounding area locals…." And also, "Thanks in advance to all that respond."

Sonrise was simply pointing out what his opinion (seeing you asked us for it) was to help steer you in the right direction for a place you might feel more comfortable with. The simple fact is that some here have detected you "might" be a liberal, what's wrong with that? If you are admit it. That way the locals could better help you. If you are liberal why would you want to move to the one of the most conservative counties in the country? As another pointed out here "you certainly have the right to move where you wish."

I'm a very, very conservative born again Christian, but I would never move to Detroit, MI. or Berkley, CA not something I would feel comfortable with. Do you understand the logic?

I hope you truly find what you're looking for

Mark

[Marks]

Originally Posted by anonymous

It's no problem, CFWIF, I consider myself neither mainstream conservative nor liberal, so I don't take offense. It does seem that we've drifted off the original topic. I've lived in Columbia for 5 years, before that I was in Sumter for about 18.

I'm familiar with Greenville, many of my friends (and my roomate) grew up downtown. As far as Greenville having changed - well, in terms of politics, I don't think it has changed much in 10 years. Both statistically, and based on my experience there, it is very conservative.

If you have doubts about that, check out something called the "Christian Exodus". I went to their website, but it is difficult to find objective information through all the propaganda. They specify Greenville, SC as ground zero for their campaign. This is from Wikipedia:


Christian Exodus (the brainchild of math teacher Cory Burnell) is a group promoting a mass emigration of Christian fundamentalists to South Carolina in hopes of influencing the governmental process and creating a state wide theocracy in the United States. It has announced intentions to move people to selected cities and counties of South Carolina in stages, with each stage timed to influence a particular election cycle. They hope to eventually move more than 50,000 people.

According to their literature, Christian Exodus believes that the United States has strayed from its founding vision, and they refer to their program as "restoring" and "protecting" the nation and the Constitution. In particular, they focus on the following areas of concern, which would generally be classified as ultraconservative.

* To oppose the increasing acceptance of homosexuality, and especially of civil unions or outright gay marriage. The group appears to go as far as seeking to outlaw all sexual conduct outside of a traditional heterosexual marriage.
* To restore state-mandated school prayer.
* To repeal Federal and State laws that they believe violate the right to keep and bear arms.
* To repeal court rulings that they feel abuse the power of eminent domain, and that they fear will lead to arbitrary seizure.
* They fear laws will soon be passed defining the practice of Christianity as a hate crime.
* They feel the rights of fathers are not upheld in child custody cases.
* They argue against the validity of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which provides that states must provide due process of law, and that everybody born in the United States is a citizen.
* They advocate repeal of the Sixteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which permits the taxation of all forms of income by the Federal Government.
* They advocate repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which requires popular election of Senators.
* They advocate that the states should have power to prohibit the immigration and/or naturalization of such persons as each sees fit to exclude.


I'm not passing judgement on these beliefs, but it is safe to say these guys are pretty conservative.

Anon,

I'm involved with CE. Would you not agree there is good propaganda and bad propaganda? Moreover, there are many people involved with CE. Of course it is a Christian/political organization--there may be folks that are conservitive but not Christians. Likewise there could be, and I use "could be" loosly, Christians within the group that are not conservitive but Christians although that would really be a oxymoron.

Thanks

P.S. Anyone wanting to know more about CE you can e-mail me at mark@christianexodus.org

Mark