North Hills Community Church Taylors, SC (Greenville: house, job transfer, school)

[Jim69Camaro]

I was gonna post this as a response on the previous thread but for some reason its locked. I atended NHCC back in 2006 with my son and daughter for a short time I think about 4 or 5 months. Mr Hubbards preaching drew me to the church. It was nice to have a traditional and bible based sermon which can be rare in churches today. But for me there was a dichotomous relationship between his preaching and beliefs reflected (generlaly speaking) of the church body. Mr Hubbard seemed to approach worship in a traditional manner whereas the other worship leaders and members seemed very liberal. I didnt find out how bad it was until my children started speaking with liberal tongues and ranting very negatively about traditional concepts. Another thing is that a couple of my friends went to "counceling" and it ended up that the councelors just wanted to run their lives. At first it seemed like NHCC was the perfect church for us and I made a few good friends but I found out quickly it was just another modern, liberal church that ironicaly just happens to have a bible based preacher. Unfortunately it took some time to undo the damage done and since then weve found a home at Taylors First Baptist.

[Canerican]

What do you mean by more liberal worship?

But I agree, a church needs to be Bible based first and foremost, no liberal interpretations, the Bible is as relevant and true today as it was when it was written, no need to cherry pick what you think should be applied today.

[Saurasenas]

Originally Posted by Jim69Camaro

I was gonna post this as a response on the previous thread but for some reason its locked. I atended NHCC back in 2006 with my son and daughter for a short time I think about 4 or 5 months. Mr Hubbards preaching drew me to the church. It was nice to have a traditional and bible based sermon which can be rare in churches today. But for me there was a dichotomous relationship between his preaching and beliefs reflected (generlaly speaking) of the church body. Mr Hubbard seemed to approach worship in a traditional manner whereas the other worship leaders and members seemed very liberal. I didnt find out how bad it was until my children started speaking with liberal tongues and ranting very negatively about traditional concepts. Another thing is that a couple of my friends went to "counceling" and it ended up that the councelors just wanted to run their lives. At first it seemed like NHCC was the perfect church for us and I made a few good friends but I found out quickly it was just another modern, liberal church that ironicaly just happens to have a bible based preacher. Unfortunately it took some time to undo the damage done and since then weve found a home at Taylors First Baptist.

Hey Jim.... we used to go there as well and also found the body to be quite liberal, which was strange given Peter's fundamental-style Bible based preaching. But you have to remember that NHCC presents itself as a community church and is going to draw and house people within the community that might have views very different than yours. When we were there we heard some very strange things from members that were not inline with what the church believed... but it's not going to be like a BJU affiliated church where everybody believes the same way. Anyway hope you have found a good church and are doing well today. Take care!

[Williampalm40]

Just found this site and have to tell you about my experience at North Hills back in April. I just moved back to the Greenville area after being gone for about 5 years. Before I left a friend invited me to NHCC and I thought it was a good church so I attended services for about 6 months before having my job transferred to St. Louis. So since I'm back here I thought I'd go to North Hills again. My friend, who no longer attends NHCC, did warn me that things were different there and that I probably wouldn't recognize the church. But I didn't really believe him and went anyway. I have to say that these days the music is extremely contemporary, but that wasn't really an issue. The problem that I did have was with the sermon in which Peter used a quote from Mark Driscoll's book "Vintage Jesus" in which he said [upon the cross] "... Jesus became the most ugly, wicked, defiled, evil, corrupt, rebellious and hideous thing in all creation.... [He] became a homosexual, alcoholic, thief, glutton, addict, pervert, adulterer, coveter, idol worshiper, *****, pedophile, self-righteous religious prig." Peter cleaned the language up a bit by omitting from the sermon notes the second part of the quote (how convenient). Apparently Driscoll has a problem understanding the difference between being imputed with sin and actually becoming the sinner. For those not familiar with his name Mark Driscoll (aka "The Cussing Preacher") is a Calvinist who uses shock tactics (like inappropriate and distasteful jokes) in order to convey his interpretations of Scripture. He tries to present Jesus and His disciples as macho-men and often insults people who he views as effeminate. Personally I think he's a testosterone filled, gutter-mouthed nutcase and I'm shocked that Peter Hubbard would use his quote in a sermon. Needless to say I won't be back!

[Saurasenas]

William, I showed your post to my husband and he actually remembered going to a men's group at North Hills and watching a video featuring Mark Driscoll. He says that he wish he knew then what he knows now! Thank you for your comments, we are "shocked" as well.

[USNRET04]

Originally Posted by Williampalm40

Just found this site and have to tell you about my experience at North Hills back in April. I just moved back to the Greenville area after being gone for about 5 years. Before I left a friend invited me to NHCC and I thought it was a good church so I attended services for about 6 months before having my job transferred to St. Louis. So since I'm back here I thought I'd go to North Hills again. My friend, who no longer attends NHCC, did warn me that things were different there and that I probably wouldn't recognize the church. But I didn't really believe him and went anyway. I have to say that these days the music is extremely contemporary, but that wasn't really an issue. The problem that I did have was with the sermon in which Peter used a quote from Mark Driscoll's book "Vintage Jesus" in which he said [upon the cross] "... Jesus became the most ugly, wicked, defiled, evil, corrupt, rebellious and hideous thing in all creation.... [He] became a homosexual, alcoholic, thief, glutton, addict, pervert, adulterer, coveter, idol worshiper, *****, pedophile, self-righteous religious prig." Peter cleaned the language up a bit by omitting from the sermon notes the second part of the quote (how convenient). Apparently Driscoll has a problem understanding the difference between being imputed with sin and actually becoming the sinner. For those not familiar with his name Mark Driscoll (aka "The Cussing Preacher") is a Calvinist who uses shock tactics (like inappropriate and distasteful jokes) in order to convey his interpretations of Scripture. He tries to present Jesus and His disciples as macho-men and often insults people who he views as effeminate. Personally I think he's a testosterone filled, gutter-mouthed nutcase and I'm shocked that Peter Hubbard would use his quote in a sermon. Needless to say I won't be back!

I know I should keep my remarks in the Religion forums but I'll just say this and comment no more:

"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's
clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves."
Matthew 7:15, KJV

"Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves."
Matthew 10:16, KJV

[andmiles2go]

You know, I really don't love North Hills, and I extremely don't love the music, but to say Peter Hubbard is a "false prophet" and "liberal" is just ridiculously pharisaical. And Taylors First Baptist is not "liberal" (under your definitions)?

[Greenville]

I just don't understand the need for people to "church bash." If a specific church is not for you, that's fine, but why criticize it publicly? Plenty of people might not like your church either, but you wouldn't appreciate them criticizing it in a forum such as this, would you?

I don't know much about North Hills, but I know enough to know that they are obviously having a positive effect on those who choose to worship there. That's good enough for me, even if I might not agree with every little thing the church preaches.

Rant over.

[Saurasenas]

In all fairness I haven't really seen much "bashing" of the church. People are just expressing their feelings and sharing their experiences. That's kinda what this board is for isn't it? Some experiences might be good, some might be bad. But it's not fair to expect people to only share the good experiences and keep the bad to themselves. But I will speak against the above insinuation that Peter is a false prophet. Clearly that's just not true! But in my opinion it is kind of dishonest to operate what is clearly a Calvinistic fellowship under the guise of a "Community Church".

andmiles2go Jim didn't say Peter was "liberal". In fact he clearly stated - "there was a dichotomous relationship between his preaching and beliefs reflected (generlaly speaking) of the church body" - "Mr Hubbard seemed to approach worship in a traditional manner whereas the other worship leaders and members seemed very liberal."

[millers1987]

Originally Posted by Jim69Camaro

But for me there was a dichotomous relationship between his preaching and beliefs reflected (generlaly speaking) of the church body. Mr Hubbard seemed to approach worship in a traditional manner whereas the other worship leaders and members seemed very liberal. I didnt find out how bad it was until my children started speaking with liberal tongues and ranting very negatively about traditional concepts.

What is your definition of liberal? I'm a member of NHCC and prior to moving to this area I attended a truly liberal church in another state. The word of God is taught every week at NHCC without the heresy or legalism that is going on in so many other churches these days. What traditional concepts did your children "rant against" and what makes you so sure that they did not decide on their own that they no longer liked all things traditional? I've never heard anyone speak out against traditional concepts at NHCC. My guess is that you may not have liked the mix of music or maybe the fact that we don't have traditional Sunday school classes. The one thing that really stands out to me about the music is how wonderfully theologically sound it is. It focuses on God and not me. It's a mixture of old and new, but none of the "Jesus is my boyfriend" kind of stuff. I've been in classes and shepherding groups and in none of these have I met or heard liberalism espoused. I have only heard the truth of God's Word, love and grace. Are there any liberals at NHCC? Most likely, but they are not the leaders. I have met and heard many of the leaders of the church speak and have not yet heard any liberalism from them. Also, if the church body was generally liberal, as you indicate, then do you really think that Peter would still be our main teaching pastor or that the church would continue to grow as it is? My experience tells me that if the church body was at odds with the pastor then the pastor would be gone. It really sounds as if your problem with the church is that you prefer a traditional church rather than one that might not do everything the way you think it should be done. I am glad that you found a church you like and hope that God blesses you and your family as you serve Him there. For my family, NHCC has been a tremendous blessing.