Thinking about a CC permit for just when I travel (shotguns, rifle)

[TexasRedneck]

SamTM.....obviously, ya don't live in Texas. We're free to keep a handgun concealed in our vehicles with or without a license/permit. Long gun? Just put it wherever - open or concealed, no problem. Been stopped with a number of handguns on or about me - as a CHL holder, I advise 'em I'm licensed (on a traffic stop, etc), and hand it over w/my drivers license. When they ask if I'm carrying and I answer affirmatively, they usually ask where it is....but other times, they just say "no problem - thanks for letting me know!".

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by SamTM

That seems odd when many LEOs even hold a valid one, PLUS their badge. Contrary to popular belief, many LEOs ARE gun guys. Don't base your opinion on an Irish flatfoot from Jersey. Walter in Midwest USA has just as many firearms as anyone else, most likely more. What happens when and if they get suspended? Even they are concerned they need to hold a valid one. They aren't going to feel sorry for you! JMHO

From Alaska State Police...
"Alaska's laws do not prohibit anyone 21 or older who may legally possess a firearm from carrying it concealed."

It's covered under AS 11.61.195 through 11.61.220.

Like I said, your state law is not everyone's state law. I wrote the sentence specifically because we're kinda famous because of it, along with Vermont, Arizona, Wyoming, and Montana outside of incorporated areas.

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by SamTM

I wouldn't be going through any State that doesn't honor licenses to carry. You're setting yourself up for a hassle at the very least. It will all come perfectly clear when you are out of the vehicle sitting on the shoulder. Destination for travel isn't the same as returning STRAIGHT home with receipt after a purchase. The same could be said about moving. If you are "carrying" that handgun around, VIA anyway you can think of for any reason, you need that license valid or honored.

You are definately protected by FEDERAL law while traveling as long as you can posess & carry at both ends of the trip, as I noted, you cant carry it buy you can transport it unloaded & unacessable as in the trunk, or if its in a pickup or vehicle with no place beyond the passenger compartment it needs to be locked up. There is a BIG difference between "carry" & "transport". This has zero to do with buying or anything like that. You can ONLY buy a handgun in your home state. Heres a link to the Firearms ouwners protection act which was passed way back in 86.
Firearm Owners' Protection Act

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by SamTM

What's my logic on the issue? Transporation is STILL possession!

Posession is not carrying.

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by SamTM

I was aware of that. I was stating what the method for getting one home should be after you buy in your State without a license to carry. They don't mess around with that stuff. Take it straight home and don't dilly dally. Most States you are breaking the law even transporting the handgun to the range for target practice without at least a hunting license or hunting target license. You need at least that if it's out of your house. A CCW or LTCH is far better than both of those methods though. You can do it all with one single license. You better not have it loaded and concealed with a hunting/target license... ie walking around Wal-mart with it!

BS to the bolded part. MOST states only require a permit to carry concealed. Most do not regulate transporting them beyond requiring they be unloaded & secured when you have no permit. Hunting licenses have nothing to do with carrying in public at all.

I got a NH permit because I own land there & visit alot. I DO NOT need a permit if I have an unloaded gun in my car there or if I carry openly. Only to conceal or bring a loaded gun in the car. I also have a permit in CT where I live. in CT you cannot posess a handgun outside the home in any manner without a permit. But that permit allows me to carry open or concealed or to transport handguns in a car loaded or not.

in CT lacking a permit you need to go directly home with the gun. In NH, VT, ME, PA and most other states you could take it straight to the range or hunting, or just drive around with it. In NY you couldnt buy it at all without a permit so its irrelevant. Every state is different true, but very few are as bad as you make out.

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by Gungnir

So then it wasn't relevant to the OP.



Really? Which states? Please cite state statutes on transportation of firearms. I think you'll be surprised, New York is the ONLY state which prohibits transportation of handguns without a license, and in the instance of the OP, he would be covered under FOPA (which takes precedence) unless his destination was in New York State.

Here are Illinois regs on transporting firearms
http://www.isp.state.il.us/docs/transgun0-000.pdf

Here are New Jersey's regs on transporting firearms
New Jersey State Police - Transporting a Firearm Into / Through the State of New Jersey

Here's California's regs
Traveling with Firearms in California - Bureau of Firearms - California Dept. of Justice - Office of the Attorney General

You're quite able to transport a firearm in it as long as you're familiar with the requirements. Indeed that only even applies if your destination is actually in Illinois, New Jersey, or California too, because otherwise it's covered under 18 USC section 926A (which it actually states on the New Jersey link under "All firearms transported through the State of New Jersey"). If you can think of a state with more heinous restrictions on firearms ownership, licensing or transportation than New York, New Jersey, Illinois, or California then I'm all ears.

You can add CT to that list. Unless you are going to a formal competition. How on earth you could practice for it is beyond me though.

[Tin Knocker]

Originally Posted by SamTM

That seems odd when many LEOs even hold a valid one, PLUS their badge. Contrary to popular belief, many LEOs ARE gun guys. Don't base your opinion on an Irish flatfoot from Jersey. Walter in Midwest USA has just as many firearms as anyone else, most likely more. What happens when and if they get suspended? Even they are concerned they need to hold a valid one. They aren't going to feel sorry for you! JMHO

Where do you get this stuff? Very very few states require a permit just to own a handgun. So, if a cop got fired his badge would mean nothing. He could just go get a permit & start carrying, nobody is going to come collect his stuff. Even here in CT I could own 50 handguns & if I lose my permit for somehing besides committing a crime I could keep them & buy more if I want. Unfortunately I am in one of the very few states which says you cannot even transport without a permit.
You need to get the difference between "carrying" & owning,posessing or transporting thru your head. In MOST states all a permit does is let you CARRY a gun in public Concealed. I know many LEO here & none has a permit, they dont need it, its a waste of money. Some have a bunch of guns & some shoot only when required.

Nobody needs to feel sorry for you, you just need to know the law, if you dont I wont feel sorry for you either. Computers are wonderful, you can pull up any states regs in a few seconds. The high profile states like CA & NY do not reflect the majority of the states gun laws & policies.

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by Tin Knocker

You can add CT to that list. Unless you are going to a formal competition. How on earth you could practice for it is beyond me though.

Maybe, but it was serving to illustrate a point, which you previous post happens to agree with

Anyway CT gun laws aren't as publicly bandied about at NY, NJ, IL, and CA as examples of much badness for the 2nd Amendment. However I will add it to the list of places I'll read up on, so I can do the same thing in future to someone else making similar claims.

[SamTM]

Originally Posted by TexasRedneck

SamTM.....obviously, ya don't live in Texas. We're free to keep a handgun concealed in our vehicles with or without a license/permit. Long gun? Just put it wherever - open or concealed, no problem. Been stopped with a number of handguns on or about me - as a CHL holder, I advise 'em I'm licensed (on a traffic stop, etc), and hand it over w/my drivers license. When they ask if I'm carrying and I answer affirmatively, they usually ask where it is....but other times, they just say "no problem - thanks for letting me know!".

Don't worry buddy, I'm in the top three FIREARM friendly States too!

Originally Posted by Tin Knocker

You are definately protected by FEDERAL law while traveling as long as you can posess & carry at both ends of the trip, as I noted, you cant carry it buy you can transport it unloaded & unacessable as in the trunk, or if its in a pickup or vehicle with no place beyond the passenger compartment it needs to be locked up. There is a BIG difference between "carry" & "transport". This has zero to do with buying or anything like that. You can ONLY buy a handgun in your home state. Heres a link to the Firearms ouwners protection act which was passed way back in 86.
Firearm Owners' Protection Act

How on earth are you protected by Federal law when it's the individual States policy and right to set their own laws regarding carrying and license to carry requirements?

Originally Posted by Tin Knocker

Posession is not carrying.

Yeah, switchblades are only ok for your "collection" only too! LOL Any unlawful "posession" of a firearm is forbidden by law. So is the dope in your trunk that's not in your pocket.

Originally Posted by Tin Knocker

BS to the bolded part. MOST states only require a permit to carry concealed. Most do not regulate transporting them beyond requiring they be unloaded & secured when you have no permit. Hunting licenses have nothing to do with carrying in public at all.

I got a NH permit because I own land there & visit alot. I DO NOT need a permit if I have an unloaded gun in my car there or if I carry openly. Only to conceal or bring a loaded gun in the car. I also have a permit in CT where I live. in CT you cannot posess a handgun outside the home in any manner without a permit. But that permit allows me to carry open or concealed or to transport handguns in a car loaded or not.

in CT lacking a permit you need to go directly home with the gun. In NH, VT, ME, PA and most other states you could take it straight to the range or hunting, or just drive around with it. In NY you couldnt buy it at all without a permit so its irrelevant. Every state is different true, but very few are as bad as you make out.

We require a hunting/target license for range use of a handgun. Besides that, most guys don't want to stand next to someone who doesn't have one. I'll pass on that one. I want to live another day!

Originally Posted by Tin Knocker

Where do you get this stuff? Very very few states require a permit just to own a handgun. So, if a cop got fired his badge would mean nothing. He could just go get a permit & start carrying, nobody is going to come collect his stuff. Even here in CT I could own 50 handguns & if I lose my permit for somehing besides committing a crime I could keep them & buy more if I want. Unfortunately I am in one of the very few states which says you cannot even transport without a permit.
You need to get the difference between "carrying" & owning,posessing or transporting thru your head. In MOST states all a permit does is let you CARRY a gun in public Concealed. I know many LEO here & none has a permit, they dont need it, its a waste of money. Some have a bunch of guns & some shoot only when required.

Nobody needs to feel sorry for you, you just need to know the law, if you dont I wont feel sorry for you either. Computers are wonderful, you can pull up any states regs in a few seconds. The high profile states like CA & NY do not reflect the majority of the states gun laws & policies.

Where do I get it? From just about every COP I talk to at gun shows! You never know when you will be suspended on a bogus offense. Again, this is COMMON knowledge. Don't tell me I have been doing this stuff longer than anyone else? Please? LOL That would make me feel OLD!

[Gungnir]

Originally Posted by SamTM

How on earth are you protected by Federal law when it's the individual States policy and right to set their own laws regarding carrying and license to carry requirements?

Because transportation of goods across state borders is Federal Jurisdiction, under the interstate commerce clause. The only time states laws apply is at the origin of and the destination of those goods. For instance, if say Kansas had a state prohibition on alcohol, then they couldn't prevent alcohol being transported from Oklahoma to Nebraska or vice-versa unless there was a federal prohibition on transportation of alcohol.

Now if the destination was Topeka, then Kansas would have a say, but not on transportation through their state. It would be an infringement of Article I, Section 8, Clause 3 of the Constitution, Kansas would be regulating commerce between Nebraska and Oklahoma, which is federal jurisdiction, not state.

The exact same process applies to firearms.