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Old 04-01-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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The question was what was MY favorite, my go to. I answered because I know exactly what they will do. I've never tested those others. If you want to shoot them, go ahead.
Have you considered more modern alternatives, or is most of your use on the ranch where clothing or auto-glass aren't really concerns?
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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It really depends on which type of SHTF scenario you're talking about, and where you live. Temporary (massive natural disaster or civil unrest) or permanent TEOTWAWKI? Is the population roughly the same, or are you one of the 5% who survived? Are you in a rural or urban area? Are you with friends or alone? Are you defending against wild predators or gangs of humans? Are the zombies fast or slow?

Are you in a rural area living off the land with zero access to spare parts, and defending against occasional predators while almost never seeing another human? Then the most reliable system you can get. So no semi-auto action; manual loaders have fewer parts to break. I'll second ElkHunter's Marlin 30-30. It has enough power to take any game or predator in the US and it's small enough for easy carrying. I have hunted deer on horseback, and a Marlin lever just works. But I'd trade his .40S&W for a Ruger SP101 in .357mag. And since we get 3 guns in this scenario add the Mossberg 500 12 ga. If you live in more open areas out west then maybe switch the Marlin for a Savage bolt in .243 or .308.

Are you in an urban area defending against marauding gangs, and where you can scavenge spare weapons and ammo? Then obviously a military-style assault weapon for a main carbine. My choice would be an AR- or AK-clone (preferably at least one of each), adding a Mossberg 500 12ga, and either a Glock 17 or Beretta M9. The AK would have more ammo availability and spare parts, but the AK is generally more reliable.
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Old 04-01-2014, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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Have you considered more modern alternatives, or is most of your use on the ranch where clothing or auto-glass aren't really concerns?
More so than you understand. Where I live, long johns, denom shirts and pants, couple of hoodies, covered by Carharts is the norm. Almost to the point of kevlar vests.

Sure, I have considered alternatives, however, about all I have to go on is what people tell you the bullet is capable of, where as, I know what the hydrashock is capable of, so until I see the results of other ammo, I'll stick with tried and true. My experience with Hydrashocks, was not on the ranch, but rather living in the city. I'm not chasing somebody down in their car, so autoglass has not been a concern.
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:27 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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More so than you understand. Where I live, long johns, denom shirts and pants, couple of hoodies, covered by Carharts is the norm. Almost to the point of kevlar vests.

Sure, I have considered alternatives, however, about all I have to go on is what people tell you the bullet is capable of, where as, I know what the hydrashock is capable of, so until I see the results of other ammo, I'll stick with tried and true. My experience with Hydrashocks, was not on the ranch, but rather living in the city. I'm not chasing somebody down in their car, so autoglass has not been a concern.
Well, unless you go out and hunt someone down, you won't get anymore experience. So...that's kindof out.

In lieu of that, I have used FBI lab testing, OIS's, and my conversations with Dr. Roberts to guide me on the issue. What kind of data are you looking for?
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Old 04-01-2014, 04:41 PM
 
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Well, unless you go out and hunt someone down, you won't get anymore experience. So...that's kindof out.

In lieu of that, I have used FBI lab testing, OIS's, and my conversations with Dr. Roberts to guide me on the issue. What kind of data are you looking for?
I think the ElkHunter is happy with his choice. It works for HIM. Dead is dead. Leaave it be.
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:27 PM
 
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I think the ElkHunter is happy with his choice. It works for HIM. Dead is dead. Leaave it be.
Well and good.
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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Steyr AUG deserves some consideration. It's the Glock of 223 carbines, reliable, durable, and accurate. The only marks against it are its weight (8 lbs) and the usual knock against bullpups of being usable from one shoulder or the other, but not both. Easy barrel switch is nice; why can't every rifle do that?
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Old 04-01-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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As far as carbines are concerned, I like the AR, the AK-74 and the AK-47. Runner up is the SKS.
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Old 04-02-2014, 05:03 AM
 
Location: Texas
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When it comes down I'll have to rely on the 3 I have:

Hi-Point 4095ts 40sw carbine
Sig Sauer P250c 40sw
S&W Sigma 9mm

They have been 100% reliable.
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Old 04-02-2014, 06:43 PM
 
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Well and good.
But some of us may want to know instead of hijack this thread, why don't you start a new thread discuusing effective HP .40 S&W for self defensive?
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