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Old 06-16-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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Ever buy a .22 for your kid, or a youngster in the family? A shotgun for your husband? A deer rifle for your daughter? A pistol for your wife?

Well...you may have broken the law, the Supreme Court now has ruled.

Supreme Court Rules on 'Straw Purchaser' Law - ABC News
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Old 06-16-2014, 01:42 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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Somebody needs to remind Kagan that there are provisions on background check laws which prevent such purchases - The last time I purchased a firearm, there was something on the paper work I had to fill out for the background check to indicate that I was not buying the firearm for somebody else, so theoretically, if somebody lied on the application, they would be breaking the law in some way, if the gun ends up being used in a criminal act.

I don't care how much money they give me, I will not purchase a weapon for somebody I do not know. If I wanted to purchase firearm as a gift for somebody I know very well, they I'd bring them with me.
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Old 06-16-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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What about "borrowing" weapons?
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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Somebody needs to remind Kagan that there are provisions on background check laws which prevent such purchases - The last time I purchased a firearm, there was something on the paper work I had to fill out for the background check to indicate that I was not buying the firearm for somebody else, so theoretically, if somebody lied on the application, they would be breaking the law in some way, if the gun ends up being used in a criminal act.

Ooops.. Bad wording, laws that Prevent don't necessarily do so, I should have included "are supposed to Prevent such purchases", since just because such laws exist, it won't prevent individuals with criminal intents from breaking them.

Like I mentioned in my previous message, it's simple and good common sense for anyone with no past criminal history to not purchase a firearm for somebody they do not know for the simple reason the person they're buying it for might use the weapon for criminal purposes and when the criminal is caught in possession of the weapon, the person who purchased it will face criminal charges as well.
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:28 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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What about "borrowing" weapons?
I wouldn't loan, or I should say "Let them use" any of my firearms unless I know them very well and I'm with them, such as at a shooting range. Whenever I let somebody else use any of my firearms, it's close friends or family. Otherwise, loaning somebody a firearm and letting them walk away with it is not a good idea.
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Old 06-17-2014, 04:53 PM
 
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I wouldn't loan, or I should say "Let them use" any of my firearms unless I know them very well and I'm with them, such as at a shooting range. Whenever I let somebody else use any of my firearms, it's close friends or family. Otherwise, loaning somebody a firearm and letting them walk away with it is not a good idea.
I'm more concerned about their past. I have a close friend I invited to go hunting. He told me he couldn't carry a gun because of a felony

But, if they are so worried about a straw purchase what is to keep someone from just borrowing a gun. None of the most recent mental cases shooting stuff up would have tipped a hand to a family member or friend their intentions.
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Old 06-18-2014, 02:45 AM
 
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I'm more concerned about their past. I have a close friend I invited to go hunting. He told me he couldn't carry a gun because of a felony

But, if they are so worried about a straw purchase what is to keep someone from just borrowing a gun. None of the most recent mental cases shooting stuff up would have tipped a hand to a family member or friend their intentions.
Actually, that's wrong. The gay guy in California that nutted up and ran people over/shot people/stabbed people, his family actually called the police to report his recent behavior.

Rampage in college town began with stabbings - CNN.com

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"It was apparent he was very mentally disturbed," Brown said.


So disturbed that a family member asked law enforcement officers to check on his welfare April 30, Brown said. They went to his residence, found Rodger "polite and courteous," and left, Brown said.
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Old 06-18-2014, 03:07 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Ever buy a .22 for your kid, or a youngster in the family? A shotgun for your husband? A deer rifle for your daughter? A pistol for your wife?

Well...you may have broken the law, the Supreme Court now has ruled.

Supreme Court Rules on 'Straw Purchaser' Law - ABC News

I do not buy my firearms for someone else to own. but if one of my daughters wants a firearm, then all they have to do is ask me and I shall give it to them. kagan is an idiot and should try reading before opening her fat piehole.
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Old 06-18-2014, 04:00 AM
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I do not buy my firearms for someone else to own. but if one of my daughters wants a firearm, then all they have to do is ask me and I shall give it to them. kagan is an idiot and should try reading before opening her fat piehole.
Under the SCOTUS judgement that's still legal.

The judgement only changes one thing...

You can't accept payment for the purchased firearm before paying for that firearm.

So for instance if you want to gift a gun, raffle a gun, etc., the judgement does not prohibit it. It's explicitly excluded in the majority opinion. So too is the "you can sell it just after you bought it" routine.

The issue here was that the defendant took payment for the firearm before purchase. The SCOTUS majority found that to be a bridge too far, and found for the prosecution. Personally I don't agree with it and I agree with Scalia's dissent that there is no "agency" applicable, but all that it really does is require that the order of events need to be, that the purchaser has not taken any payment for the firearm before he purchases it, once purchased, everything else can go on as normal.
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Old 06-18-2014, 06:08 AM
 
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Actually, that's wrong. The gay guy in California that nutted up and ran people over/shot people/stabbed people, his family actually called the police to report his recent behavior.

Rampage in college town began with stabbings - CNN.com
Where does it say he was gay? It doesn't, it says he was angry at being shunned by women.
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