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Old 07-11-2014, 12:33 PM
 
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I see m4's hung over the officers heads in cruisers around where I live.
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Old 07-11-2014, 12:53 PM
 
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The internet is full of discussions about the most effective handgun rounds etc. I've also seen discussions in the military they are issued handgun's just as emergency weapons just in case the rifle fails or they need the handgun to get them to their rifle. So here's the question. If it can be admitted that the rifle is the superior weapon and that a handgun is questionable for effective law enforcement use, why don't most police forces just issue rifles and handguns. Handguns for convenience carry, but rifles when they are prepared and going into a known potential threat situation. Police going into a hostile situation with just a handgun looks dumb. Give them at least a shotgun or a serious rifle.

I personally do not think the LEO's should be armed with any type of military firearms at all, no class 3 firearms either. if the civilian populace cannot get it without jumping through hoops, then the cops should not have it either.
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Old 07-11-2014, 04:51 PM
 
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I personally do not think the LEO's should be armed with any type of military firearms at all, no class 3 firearms either. if the civilian populace cannot get it without jumping through hoops, then the cops should not have it either.
There is red tape to get Class III weaponry, for LEO's, as well. Really, other than suppressors, nothing Class III out there is a real advantage for the work police do. Suppressors are great. If a LEO takes a shot in a crowded area, less civilian ears are ringing. If LEO's take down a meth lab, less chance of fire. Etc.

Full-auto and SBR/SBS aren't really of that much use to an officer, although when you add the suppressor and methlab takedowns, the SBR does come into play.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:26 PM
 
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Over penetration plus if they miss the bullet might kill a bystander 100s of yards away.
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Old 07-13-2014, 12:43 AM
 
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There is red tape to get Class III weaponry, for LEO's, as well. Really, other than suppressors, nothing Class III out there is a real advantage for the work police do. Suppressors are great. If a LEO takes a shot in a crowded area, less civilian ears are ringing. If LEO's take down a meth lab, less chance of fire. Etc.

Full-auto and SBR/SBS aren't really of that much use to an officer, although when you add the suppressor and methlab takedowns, the SBR does come into play.


I am also including the MRAP and any other military vehicle.
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Old 07-13-2014, 12:45 AM
 
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Over penetration plus if they miss the bullet might kill a bystander 100s of yards away.

I am glad I do not have that problem on my property, closest neighbor is more than 400 yards away and you have to go over a hill to see their home.
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Old 07-13-2014, 01:36 AM
 
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Over penetration plus if they miss the bullet might kill a bystander 100s of yards away.
5.56 has less over penetration issues than 9mm
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Old 07-13-2014, 01:37 AM
 
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I am also including the MRAP and any other military vehicle.
What good is an MRAP? They have to maintain them...$ budget $ fail.
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Old 07-13-2014, 03:10 PM
 
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What good is an MRAP? They have to maintain them...$ budget $ fail.

try looking it up sometime, and you might just find out that plenty of civilian police departments are taking possession of the MRAP courtesy of the federal government.

I did not have to look very far on google, bing or any other search engine.
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Old 07-13-2014, 05:10 PM
 
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try looking it up sometime, and you might just find out that plenty of civilian police departments are taking possession of the MRAP courtesy of the federal government.

I did not have to look very far on google, bing or any other search engine.
I already know how many are located in which states. The "funny" thing? I quote that because it's you and me who are paying...is that those MRAP's may be "free", but they don't come with parts or mechanics, and where does Barney Fife take his MRAP for service when it breaks? They are ungodly expensive, and most departments will rue the day they ever accepted that "hand-out".
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