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Old 08-18-2014, 02:05 PM
 
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Are you aware of what the 223 round does inside a person? It spins around and tears apart the organs. I think if a cop needs to use "deadly force" it still should be to maim, not kill. Killing a citizen sounds too close to Judge Jury and Executioner.
Present yourself as a threat to me going home in one piece, I wont care what damage a .45 or a 5.56NATO does to your guts.
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Old 08-18-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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Right but could that threat have been stopped with a non lethal force? I think in the many cases of unarmed citizens being shot to death, yes a tazer would have more than sufficed.
You ever worn the uniform? Ever been a fire fight? Carry a gun? Practice with a defensive weapon? Woulda coulda shoulda don't mean anything.
If my opponent has to be dead right there. So be it.
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Old 08-19-2014, 02:43 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Are you aware of what the 223 round does inside a person? It spins around and tears apart the organs. I think if a cop needs to use "deadly force" it still should be to maim, not kill. Killing a citizen sounds too close to Judge Jury and Executioner.
I think that's because you're counting on someone else to do all the heavy lifting with no risk to yourself and then whine about how it gets done.

"You don't know how to do the job, but you want to tell them that they're doing it wrong".

The more damage a projectile can cause to something, the happier I am, because the faster that something is going to STOP doing BAD THINGS. PERIOD. YMMV, but then, I don't know the value of your life. Only the one I am tasked to protect.
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Old 08-19-2014, 02:46 AM
 
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Right but could that threat have been stopped with a non lethal force? I think in the many cases of unarmed citizens being shot to death, yes a tazer would have more than sufficed.
Maybe...maybe not. Do you carry a tazer or a pistol, personally?
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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Outside of watching TV, what makes you a less than lethal use of force expert?
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Old 08-20-2014, 10:47 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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Maybe...maybe not. Do you carry a tazer or a pistol, personally?

I carry 3 pistols.
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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No thanks. Thanks for the suggestion. But I think we are seeing just what many cops are capable of doing with the gun they are given seemingly with no instruction. You should move to Ferguson.
Oh yeah, Ferguson... where an officer is attacked by a felon and receives a broken eye socket, so the officer shoots him. Then the citizens are outraged the officer defended himself and make up their own facts. I think you should move there.

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Armed citizens should not pursue a felon - some do in error. Police officers should not commit crimes - some do (in the case of Memphis PD, it appears that many do).
I've done the research on MPD officers who have been arrested. They make up less than 0.01% of the department every year, but you can keep saying most are incompetent.
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Old 08-23-2014, 05:01 PM
 
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Oh yeah, Ferguson... where an officer is attacked by a felon and receives a broken eye socket, so the officer shoots him. Then the citizens are outraged the officer defended himself and make up their own facts. I think you should move there.



I've done the research on MPD officers who have been arrested. They make up less than 0.01% of the department every year, but you can keep saying most are incompetent.
To be fair, I don't think that every guilty MPD officer faces charges or arrest. I live in a pretty dirty town, the FBI has descended upon the municipality before (and people lost jobs, were arrested/sentenced for a long time, etc.). My town is massively corrupt, or at least, when I lived with the DA's stepson it was. I can PROMISE you that most officers only face charges at the tipping point where they become a liability to others in the department.

That said, it's typically drugs and other things, not shooting people in broad daylight for "no reason" as those in Ferguson suggested.
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Old 08-24-2014, 07:30 AM
 
Location: South Carolina
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To be fair, I don't think that every guilty MPD officer faces charges or arrest. I live in a pretty dirty town, the FBI has descended upon the municipality before (and people lost jobs, were arrested/sentenced for a long time, etc.). My town is massively corrupt, or at least, when I lived with the DA's stepson it was. I can PROMISE you that most officers only face charges at the tipping point where they become a liability to others in the department.

That said, it's typically drugs and other things, not shooting people in broad daylight for "no reason" as those in Ferguson suggested.
And not everyone who is accused of something is guilty. I've heard several stories of people accusing officers of something and the news grabs hold of it, but the news doesn't mention it again when they are found not guilty for various reasons. The officer's reputation stays tarnished.
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Old 08-24-2014, 05:00 PM
 
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And not everyone who is accused of something is guilty. I've heard several stories of people accusing officers of something and the news grabs hold of it, but the news doesn't mention it again when they are found not guilty for various reasons. The officer's reputation stays tarnished.
Yep. That goes without saying. Ferguson is the latest example.
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