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Old 09-22-2014, 11:38 PM
 
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You can't miss fast enough to win a gunfight. Either you hit or you don't.
That is somewhat true, however "suppressive fire" starts coming into play here. Would you come up and out of your position with him ^ laying a hailstorm down on you out of his "bullet hose" like that?


I sure wouldn't, not with a rifle that takes forever to reload and has capacities such as those either. It's simple logic, those are "hunting" guns.......they serve no purpose as "combat" weapons in todays market. You would be better off with an SKS than those choices. At least they load fast with stripper clips. I wouldn't laugh at the old trusty M1 Garand either.....

But NOT those^^^.
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:44 PM
 
Location: West Phoenix
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With all respects, they would have had their asses handed to them with any of those weapons. In North Hollywood, they had FULL AUTO AKs........

Whiskey River Bob and his Winchester 30-30 won't stand a chance......



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OTOH......a Remington M40A5, Savage 10 BA, FN SPR A3G, CZ-750 S1M1 wouldn't have that problem "in the right hands".

You also would be so far out of a 7.62x39mm AKs effective range.....it wouldn't matter anymore.
oh, I love internet commandos,
there is a place in Palden AZ called gunsite, they teach all types of things there and one of their classes is for police tactical rifle, they had a old school sheriff take the class, while everyone else used a AR-15/M4/M-16, he used a old, beat up Winchester 30/30. He cleaned their clocks, no one could compete with him, he knew his rifle. Just remember, it is not the rifle that makes the difference, it is the man behind the rifle.
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Old 09-28-2014, 11:04 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I ran into Forest Service guys this weekend and thought it was BP. Same color rig, everything. They had and AR of some type on the console. Dude was checking for wood cutting permits with a flak jacket on lol.
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Old 09-28-2014, 04:57 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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I ran into Forest Service guys this weekend and thought it was BP. Same color rig, everything. They had and AR of some type on the console. Dude was checking for wood cutting permits with a flak jacket on lol.
I don't blame him.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:33 PM
 
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oh, I love internet commandos,
there is a place in Palden AZ called gunsite, they teach all types of things there and one of their classes is for police tactical rifle, they had a old school sheriff take the class, while everyone else used a AR-15/M4/M-16, he used a old, beat up Winchester 30/30. He cleaned their clocks, no one could compete with him, he knew his rifle. Just remember, it is not the rifle that makes the difference, it is the man behind the rifle.
Those guys must have been lousy shots. There isn't a Winchester 30/30 vintage or new that could come close to the accuracy of a AR variant rifle. If you want to trade off to Marlin, it sucks even more. Good for show....but I bet they won't do over 400 yards at best.
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Old 09-28-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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I don't blame him.

Before the advent of the telescopic sight, average people made extraordinary shots with this sighting arrangement. These days our so-called gun-writers would have you believe that all sporting rifles should shoot 1″ or less at 100 yards, wear optical sighting equipment, and be capable of holding dead on from 0-300 yards. Back in the days when people hunted to live, such rifles were non-existent; yet the human species managed to live on. This is because people were hunters, opting to get closer and be sure, rather than chance a long shot. A shot beyond 100 yards was rare, with most shots being well under 100 yards. Ammunition was expensive, and a chance at a good dear wasn’t something you took lightly. In the back woods, or during the depression era, you stalked within “sure-fire” range, because if you missed, you and your family didn’t eat.





Me either Billy Bob!
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Old 09-28-2014, 07:18 PM
 
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What's that all mean? An AR with a 20" barrel isn't even breathing hard at 300 yards, much less 100. In fact (601.487 yards) 550 meters is very doable and very common in the right hands.

Step up, step the hell up!
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Old 09-28-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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550 meters? Not much accuracy when you are pointing it at a 45 degree angle. What's the bullet drop at that range with factory ammo?
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Old 09-28-2014, 09:10 PM
 
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550 meters? Not much accuracy when you are pointing it at a 45 degree angle. What's the bullet drop at that range with factory ammo?
With Lake City M855 your 25 meter zero will also be your 300 meter zero.


At 500 meters one click on the front sight post changes impact by 17.0 cm

One click on the windage knob is 6.5 cm or 2 1/2".

One click on elevation knob is 14.0 cm or 6 1/2".



At 600 meters one click on the front sight post changes impact by 20.5 cm

One click on the windage knob is 8.0 cm or 3 1/8"

One click on the elevation knob is 16.75 cm or 6 1/2.


The AR15/M16 A2 has a mechanical BDC (bullet drop compensator) built right into it.


Also another way to calculate is with a 100 meter zero your bullet drop at 550 meters will be -61.87 shooting 10.74 MOA

With a 200 meter zero it will be -54.39 and a 14.21 MOA

With a 300 metter zero -40.34 with 7.0 MOA
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Old 09-28-2014, 09:13 PM
 
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So even someone with even mediocre marksmanship skills can put one in the immediate area (proximity) enough to scare the hell out of someone.
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