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Old 08-07-2014, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Oh it's a 44 special? Pretty much like a 38 special but with a bigger bullet.
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Old 08-07-2014, 08:17 PM
 
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Oh it's a 44 special? Pretty much like a 38 special but with a bigger bullet.
.357 magnum and .38 special is another way to describe it. So is a .22 short, long and long rifle.

NOT a .380 acp and 9mm though.

The cases are different diameters.
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Old 08-07-2014, 09:20 PM
 
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I know about calibers and cartridges. The 44 special is like a 38 special because they're not as powerful as their magnum brothers.
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Old 08-07-2014, 10:26 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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The 44mag has a higher rate of incapacitation than the 45acp.
Why?

A .44 slug is .429" in diameter, a .45 slug is .451" in diameter. Expanded slugs average around .7" from each, depending on the JHP used, both will produce through/through penetration on most people with a COM hit.

So why is one .7" diameter hole more awesome than the next?

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Doesn't matter, the 44mag does not produce energy less than 800 ft lb (from Ballistic101,com). The 45acp can put a big hole in you but a 44mag blast a hole in you. They do more tissue damages.
What do you have to back this up? I know that the .44 will produce a larger temporary stretch cavity, but the permanent wound channel/tissue damage will not be any worse than the .45 ACP, and TSC is not a contributor to incapacitation unless tissue is damaged as a result, which does not typically happen at less than around 1800fps, which both rounds are nowhere near.

Kinetic Energy is the ability to do work. However, creating a large TSC that causes no meaningful tissue damage is like saying a powerlifter is more effective at pushing down a building than a 90# weakling. Neither will get it done, even though the powerlifter is sure to grunt louder and his arms and legs bulge more impressively. Nevertheless, the KE imparted is worthless to the goal sought.

Same for TSC with handgun velocity projectiles in elastic tissues.

I have found no definitive study in the field or in gel that shows a snub-nose .44 magnum to do more damage to living things than a .45 ACP, both when loaded with JHP's (obviously the higher SD of the .44 when loaded with a hard cast bullet makes it better for bear, etc. but I don't think that's what's being discussed?)
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Old 08-07-2014, 11:28 PM
 
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I have no idea of the energy from a 2" snubbie as the tests were done with 4" barrels. Still a 44 bullet is hardly smaller than a 45 bullet. The 45 has up to 255g slug but the 44 special is up to 246g and the 44mag up to 340g (that's +P+ from Buffalo Bore!).

More power means more penetration.
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Old 08-07-2014, 11:57 PM
 
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I have no idea of the energy from a 2" snubbie as the tests were done with 4" barrels. Still a 44 bullet is hardly smaller than a 45 bullet. The 45 has up to 255g slug but the 44 special is up to 246g and the 44mag up to 340g (that's +P+ from Buffalo Bore!).

More power means more penetration.
How much penetration do you need for this application?
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Old 08-08-2014, 09:50 PM
 
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This thread has drifted way off topic, let's get back on track.
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Old 08-10-2014, 06:55 PM
 
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Everyone has an opinion when it comes to the favorite caliber for handguns. I own a handgun is just about any caliber from 22 to 45 ACP, with the exception of .25 and .32 calibers. I even have a 380, which in my opinion is better that nothing, or better than a water pistol. I like 357 and I like 45 ACP, but I also have 9MM, 10MM, and 40 S&W. My daily carry is either a 386 S&W Revolver or a Kimber Ultra Carry in 45 ACP, I also carry a Diamondback 9MM in an ankle holster. Like the other posters have state, no handgun is of much use if you don't learn to shoot it well, and practice when ever you get a chance. Get involved in a shooting sport.
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:39 PM
 
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Always popular, even after 100 years.

The 1911 "forty-five".



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Old 08-30-2014, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Texas
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How much penetration do you need for this application?
Fat BG?

Both 45acp and 9mm Luger are over 100 years old so I guess that makes 'em popular.
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