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Old 07-27-2014, 02:16 PM
 
Location: West Madison^WMHT
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In my opinion, one of the advantages the defender has in the home is that while the intruder is limited to the weapon he can bring along and comfortably carry with him, the defender has no such limitations, and can choose a larger, heavier, and more effective weapon.

This is where a shotgun (with appropriate ammo, I like #2 Buckshot) is applicable.


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High powered rifles like the AR and AK make for really good home defense weapons.
Technically, the AR-15 is a low-powered centerfire rifle, and the whole subject of over-penetration is complicated at best.

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So what is a all around "basic" semi auto handgun that is realiable and affordable?
That really deserves its own thread; there are entire forums dedicated to this question.
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Old 07-27-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Agree with Nonesuch about a shotgun for home defense or at close quarters.

A rifle is not the best gun for home defense unless your home is miles away from people and other homes. If you have a family, but have no bullet-proof walls, ceilings, floors, windows, and doors, why would you want to use a rifle for home defense?

For self-defense a handgun loaded with defense ammo is a good choice. And the best handgun would be the one you are most proficient with, regardless of caliber. One thing to keep in mind is that some "out of the box pistols" can fail to load the chamber with certain ammo (ball ammo versus defense ammo). So you want to try different ammo to make sure you don't have any loading/extraction problems, and then decide with ammo works best with your pistol. Otherwise a good gunsmith can take care of the problem for you.

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Old 07-27-2014, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Since the Department of Homeland Security officially refers to their issued AR-15s as "Personal Defense Weapons" Homeland Security seeking 7,000 assault weapons for 'personal defense' - Washington Times , I took their sage advice and bought one for the defense of myself and family.

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Old 07-27-2014, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Since the Department of Homeland Security officially refers to their issued AR-15s as "Personal Defense Weapons" Homeland Security seeking 7,000 assault weapons for 'personal defense' - Washington Times , I took their sage advice and bought one for the defense of myself and family.
To each his own. I just would not choose a rifle for "home defense" unless I would have no choice, specially if had had family members in the same house. In this case my gun for home defense would be a shotgun with #2 buckshot to avoid wall penetration, and for the widest single-shot pattern possible.

Now, there is nothing wrong with a rifle for home defense if that's what you are comfortable with.

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Old 07-27-2014, 04:18 PM
 
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High powered rifles like the AR and AK make for really good home defense weapons...they also save you a ton in college tuition when the projectile over penetrates into your child's bedroom. You may even get a two for one deal if you have annoying neighbors. Just slap in a 30rd magazine or 75rd drum and start hosing down the place.
the round fired from the AR and the AK are not the same thing. Hate to break it to you, but a 9mm or .45 out of a pistol will penetrate more then the AR's .223 will, although if you are talking about interior drywall, any proper defense round will penetrate.
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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To each his own. I just would not choose a rifle for "home defense" unless I would have no choice, specially if had had family members in the same house. In this case my gun for home defense would be a shotgun with #2 buckshot to avoid wall penetration, and for the widest single-shot pattern possible.

Now, there is nothing wrong with a rifle for home defense if that's what you are comfortable with.
#2 buckshot will go right through multiple interior walls. Do your research. Pretty much anything that will properly kill someone is going to be able to go through the interior of your house and kill your family, so plan your defense accordingly.
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:27 PM
 
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Agree with Nonesuch about a shotgun for home defense or at close quarters.

A rifle is not the best gun for home defense unless your home is miles away from people and other homes. If you have a family, but have no bullet-proof walls, ceilings, floors, windows, and doors, why would you want to use a rifle for home defense?

For self-defense a handgun loaded with defense ammo is a good choice. And the best handgun would be the one you are most proficient with, regardless of caliber. One thing to keep in mind is that some "out of the box pistols" can fail to load the chamber with certain ammo (ball ammo versus defense ammo). So you want to try different ammo to make sure you don't have any loading/extraction problems, and then decide with ammo works best with your pistol. Otherwise a good gunsmith can take care of the problem for you.
What makes you think a .223 is worse then a 9mm when it comes to penetration of interior walls? Light and fast bullets break apart and shed energy faster then a slow heavy one.
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Old 07-27-2014, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Blah
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Technically, the AR-15 is a low-powered centerfire rifle, and the whole subject of over-penetration is complicated at best.
High Powered rifle is a style of competition shooting in the US evolving service rifles...including the M16 (and it's civilian variant the AR15). And who in the heck buys self defense ammo for their AR15? Seriously, when is the last time there was a major run on ammo and people was freaking out because they couldn't find Winchester's approve home defense ammo? No one, their all loading up on standard ball ammo like Monarch/Wolf, XM 193, M855, SS109 etc.
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Old 07-27-2014, 05:08 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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To each his own. I just would not choose a rifle for "home defense" unless I would have no choice, specially if had had family members in the same house. In this case my gun for home defense would be a shotgun with #2 buckshot to avoid wall penetration, and for the widest single-shot pattern possible.

Now, there is nothing wrong with a rifle for home defense if that's what you are comfortable with.
Even #4 Buck goes through multiple walls, but my question is...WHERE!? are you finding #2 buckshot? I've literally NEVER seen this, although I assume you live in Alaska, maybe they sell it regionally?
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Old 07-27-2014, 05:13 PM
 
Location: Blah
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the round fired from the AR and the AK are not the same thing. Hate to break it to you, but a 9mm or .45 out of a pistol will penetrate more then the AR's .223 will, although if you are talking about interior drywall, any proper defense round will penetrate.
Who said anything about the .223 and 7.62X39 being the same thing? I was merely listing and never once suggested or implied the two was the same. Wow.

Anyhow, I'm suggesting pistol ammo is any better. The fact of the matter is, any round or shot shell effective enough to stop an intruder will penetrate your standard interior wall. Just be real sure of your shots and try not to squeeze 20-30rds trying to hit the intruder.
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