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Old 07-29-2014, 02:11 AM
 
Location: Approximately 50 miles from Missoula MT/38 yrs full time after 4 yrs part time
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I have been fortunate to hunt many forms of big game (and game birds) over the last 60 years with a variety of combat vets as hunting partners, who served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, & the First Gulf War.

My brother-in-law (1st Marine Raider Battalion) carried a BAR (and a 1911) all through the Solomon Islands and Tulagi and some others.
My uncle went thru the Battle of the Bulge in a Tank and carried a 1911 and a Tanker Model of the M-1.
Two high school friends were in Korea, one in the Army infantry and one a Marine....both carried M-1s.
Two friends from the Vietnam War both utilized M16A1s and a 3rd friend was a gunner on a Gun Ship (Cobra) and "loved" his MAC 10 in 45ACP.
And my next door neighbor (Army Ranger) used his M16A1 very effectively in the 1st Gulf War.

In ALL cases everyone of these men had been exposed to various guns from their early teen years hunting deer, elk, bear, moose, antelope and various forms of game birds.

Over time and many hunting trips I asked them many questions related to how beneficial was their previous exposure to hunting and guns in general.....vs what they observed were the experiences of their fellow combat soldiers (who had not hunted and were not familiar with guns in their early years) when they engaged the enemy in"fire-fights" -- particularly, close range fire-fights.

Their responses were unanimous in that they were more effective with their weapons due to their almost instinctive reactions and handling of certain situations that were totally unfamiliar to their fellow soldiers who had not been exposed to guns until they got in the service.

Thus all of them felt their chances of survival were much higher than their fellow soldiers.

.......Something to Think About...................
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:44 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Kindof...but not sortof different...


A lot of race-car drivers got their start go-kart racing as kids. Same principal.
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Old 07-29-2014, 08:30 AM
 
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There is no substitute for experience, so it makes sense that the guys who grew up shooting did better in war. Most of the sharp shooters in these wars were guys who grew up picking off prairie dogs at 300 yards in the back 40. Same principle, expect their target became a helmet instead of a varmint.

I grew up hunting song birds with a pellet pistol, and when I recently went shooting with a marine I was a better shot w/ pistols, wasn't even close. Of course he's actually taken a sentient life w/ a pistol which is a different kind of experience, but pure shooting he wasn't that good. He grew up in suburbia with no shooting experience.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:43 AM
 
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There is no substitute for experience, so it makes sense that the guys who grew up shooting did better in war. Most of the sharp shooters in these wars were guys who grew up picking off prairie dogs at 300 yards in the back 40. Same principle, expect their target became a helmet instead of a varmint.

I grew up hunting song birds with a pellet pistol, and when I recently went shooting with a marine I was a better shot w/ pistols, wasn't even close. Of course he's actually taken a sentient life w/ a pistol which is a different kind of experience, but pure shooting he wasn't that good. He grew up in suburbia with no shooting experience.
To some extent I think that marksmanship is a talent rather than a skill. Some people just have steadiness and spatial ability that other people don't. If you are a "good shot", you were probably born that way.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:03 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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To some extent I think that marksmanship is a talent rather than a skill. Some people just have steadiness and spatial ability that other people don't. If you are a "good shot", you were probably born that way.
Well, shooting is no different than any other activity. Look at Michael Jordan. He sucked at hoops as a kid...but he put in the time and got himself some skills. So if you aren't slamming the bulls-eye or ringing the steel right out of the gate...don't despair.
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Old 07-30-2014, 02:23 PM
 
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Well, shooting is no different than any other activity. Look at Michael Jordan. He sucked at hoops as a kid...but he put in the time and got himself some skills. So if you aren't slamming the bulls-eye or ringing the steel right out of the gate...don't despair.
While that's true in a sense, Jordan was also born with truly exceptional athletic abilities and physical stature befitting a point guard by which all other point guards will always be measured and he wouldn't have been the Michael Jordan that we all know otherwise. Obviously, anyone can improve over their "baseline performance" in any activity through practice... But "talented and diligent" trumps "just diligent" (which is not to imply that "talented and lazy" also trumps "just diligent"). That's what I was trying to convey and I think it explains why someone who hasn't had a lot of training and doesn't practice particularly frequently sometimes convincingly outshoots, for example, an activity duty marine or even several active duty marines - all of whom are generally accepted to be riflemen.
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Old 07-31-2014, 07:40 PM
 
Location: San Francisco, California
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Audie Murphy grew up on a Texas farm and learned to shoot & hunt as a kid before he joined the army, I think it made him a better soldier.

I also grew up with firearms & hunting and was a natural born marksman and it showed during my military training, in comparison to guys that never even fired a gun before they joined the military.
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Old 08-01-2014, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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From Viet Nam to Desert Storm, I had the opportunity to shoot them all. In my years I found the M1d was best. I was a long range shooter and still compete today. It is an invitation only, annual meet. We compete at 1000, 1250, and 1500 yards. All competitors must shoot military iron and it has to have iron sites. No scopes. The old M1 is the preceded weapon, however, periodically we have somebody show up with an M14, but they quickly learn that it won't stand up
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Old 08-04-2014, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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My late Dad (regular Army) never could quite master the M1, but was pretty darn good with the Springfield 03. He was much more comfortable with the bolt action because he grew up shooting a surplus .30-40 Krag he bought for under $5 in the 1920s.
My brother still has that one.
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:14 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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My late Dad (regular Army) never could quite master the M1, but was pretty darn good with the Springfield 03. He was much more comfortable with the bolt action because he grew up shooting a surplus .30-40 Krag he bought for under $5 in the 1920s.
My brother still has that one.
In competition, rapid. fire is 10 rounds in 10 seconds for short range. We've had guys actually try to accomplish that with a 03 Springfield. They learn quickly that it can't be done.:-)
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