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Old 01-26-2016, 12:00 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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College age daughter.

I'll start off by saying that I primarily want her to be able to protect herself at her home but once she is proficient enough with a handgun to CC, I will leave that up to her.

Here is what I'm considering for her. Ultimately, SHE will decide what she likes best.

Ruger LC9
Ruger LCP 380
SW Body Guard 380

I'm leaning toward the 380 for her due to the size and ability to conceal.

I love the LC9's safety features but personally I would likely opt for the smaller 380

I'm leaning towards the BG primarily because it has a manual safety. (I understand the arguments against safeties)

However, I've heard quite a few negatives about the SW BG though. (malfunctions/repairs needed etc)

The Ruger certainly seems to be a more reliable gun to me but the LCP doesn't have a manual safety, which again, is important to me if I'm providing one to my college age daughter.



Thoughts?



**Disclaimer: I am getting her the concealed carry permit/training and plenty of range practice prior to giving her the gun. she's very responsible and level headed too.
Huge fan of the 9mm. S&W Shield, Glock's new model, etc. Very controllable, accurate, reliable weapons. Anyone of any size should be able to use them, effectively, unless there is a birth defect or medical condition.
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Old 01-26-2016, 12:02 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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No offense guys, but I am a female firearm instructor. Would you PLEASE stop telling women to get a snubbie.

The sights suck, the recoil has most gals shaking their hand from plam slap after one cylinder full, and most new shooters can't hit a target beyond fifteen feet.

AND (sorry revolver guys) revolvers are nearly 200 year old technology. Five shots and slow to reload unless you are Jerry Musilick.

I recommend a high capacity, mid size 9mm as a first, or only gun. It provides the most versitility. IMO. G19, XDM, Smith MnP, HK, Sig, etc.

A single stack 9 or .45 is ok but not as good to practice. LC9, G43, Sig938, MP Shield, etc.

Ideally, get a high cap 9 as a primary, a single stack for deeper concealment and a .22 for fun.

My opinion is free BTW.

PS - nothing wrong with a Charter Arms .38. Mine has pachmeyer grips, very smooth to shoot. I carried it as backup in the LA Riot and I've shown nefarious sorts the business end twice over the past 35 years. They made wise choices both times and I avoided having to clean the gun after use.
Thank god for some level-headed, experienced advice, although I hate XD's, especially for smaller hands. The rear grip safety isn't like **** on a boar so much as it is like a pecker on a hot woman. It will RUIN things.
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Old 01-26-2016, 07:25 AM
 
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Just realized I posted to a rezzed thread I had already posted on. Whoops.
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Old 01-26-2016, 06:03 PM
 
Location: Idaho
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I consider manual safeties to be "death switches," because if you need to pull your gun in defense, you're likely only going to have one opportunity to pull the trigger before the Bad Guy realizes what's happening and tries to take your gun from you. If, in the panic of the situation, you forget to flip that lever, you're dead. A good DAO pistol is plenty safe against accidental discharges, as long as it's properly carried (holster, nothing else in the pocket, etc). I know you said that you're familiar with the arguments against safeties, and I'm sure you are, but sometimes things bear repeating.

I own the LCP and the Bodyguard. The LCP is a good little gun that's pretty accurate and like most .380s doesn't have a real heavy recoil (for its size - the small polymer guns kick a bit). I haven't fired the Bodyguard yet, although it's already in my range bag for our next trip.

My favorite mouse gun right now is a tie between the LCP and the Kel-Tec P32 or P3AT. The Kel-Tecs are almost identical in size, and I have a bunch of different holsters for the .32, which is why I sometimes carry it over the .380.

If you're not trying to go as light as possible, you could also look at the Sig P238. It's a great gun that looks and shoots good, and it has the manual safety (which is the reason I don't carry mine). It's a bit more expensive than the LCP and similar options, though.
I agree safeties are terrible ideas, as well as not carrying with a bullet in the chamber. However, I carry a Beretta PX4, that has a safety, and I just don't use it.

Also, SA/DA are as good as DAO since the first round is like a DAO; hard pull, but the rest are nice and easy.
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Old 01-31-2016, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Morgantown, WV
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Have you considered the Bersa Thunder CC 380? Cheap, small, easy to fire, very good looking, lots of safety features, and extremely reliable.
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Old 01-31-2016, 01:35 PM
 
Location: League City, Texas
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I think women tend to prefer revolvers. Simple loading, simple mechanics, and the width profile is not of that importance when it is in a purse. Because you know it is going to be in the purse!
I disagree.
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Old 02-06-2016, 02:36 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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Originally Posted by jamies View Post
No offense guys, but I am a female firearm instructor. Would you PLEASE stop telling women to get a snubbie.

The sights suck, the recoil has most gals shaking their hand from plam slap after one cylinder full, and most new shooters can't hit a target beyond fifteen feet.

AND (sorry revolver guys) revolvers are nearly 200 year old technology. Five shots and slow to reload unless you are Jerry Musilick.

I recommend a high capacity, mid size 9mm as a first, or only gun. It provides the most versitility. IMO. G19, XDM, Smith MnP, HK, Sig, etc.

A single stack 9 or .45 is ok but not as good to practice. LC9, G43, Sig938, MP Shield, etc.

Ideally, get a high cap 9 as a primary, a single stack for deeper concealment and a .22 for fun.

My opinion is free BTW.

PS - nothing wrong with a Charter Arms .38. Mine has pachmeyer grips, very smooth to shoot. I carried it as backup in the LA Riot and I've shown nefarious sorts the business end twice over the past 35 years. They made wise choices both times and I avoided having to clean the gun after use.
Very sensible advice. A revolver makes as much sense as a Smart Car. The two most recent examples of why a revolver is a bad idea are the lady in Georgia who had retreated to the attic with her young children. When the BG came after her, she emptied her revolver on him and he was wounded just enough to stop advancing. A standard capacity 9MM (I refuse to call a 15 round magazine a high cap. To me, most magazines are either standard capacity or reduced capacity. A Glock 30 round or drum 50 or 100 round magazine is high capacity) would have been a much better choice. The other example comes out of Ferguson. It took a trained police officer 12 rounds to neutralize the "gentle giant". And that's after the initial two rounds went off in the vehicle. If the officer would have had a revolver, in all likelihood, he would have died that day. A revolver is fine for target practice or cowboy reenactments. But only a fool or a luddite would carry one as his primary defensive weapon.
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Old 02-06-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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Very sensible advice. A revolver makes as much sense as a Smart Car. The two most recent examples of why a revolver is a bad idea are the lady in Georgia who had retreated to the attic with her young children. When the BG came after her, she emptied her revolver on him and he was wounded just enough to stop advancing. A standard capacity 9MM (I refuse to call a 15 round magazine a high cap. To me, most magazines are either standard capacity or reduced capacity. A Glock 30 round or drum 50 or 100 round magazine is high capacity) would have been a much better choice. The other example comes out of Ferguson. It took a trained police officer 12 rounds to neutralize the "gentle giant". And that's after the initial two rounds went off in the vehicle. If the officer would have had a revolver, in all likelihood, he would have died that day. A revolver is fine for target practice or cowboy reenactments. But only a fool or a luddite would carry one as his primary defensive weapon.
You're only looking at one aspect of ownership and operation, however.

As I said earlier, the manual of arms of a semi-automatic is significantly more complicated than that of a revolver.

Unless a person is willing to commit to the substantially greater training and maintenance that a semi-automatic pistol requires, in the critical moment he may not be able to fire even the first: Is the safety off? Is the chamber loaded? Does the pistol need to be cocked?
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Old 02-06-2016, 06:19 PM
 
Location: Spring Hill, Florida
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The woman in the attic should have had a shotgun. Home defense is entirely different than concealed carry.
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Old 02-06-2016, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, AK
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You're only looking at one aspect of ownership and operation, however.

As I said earlier, the manual of arms of a semi-automatic is significantly more complicated than that of a revolver.

Unless a person is willing to commit to the substantially greater training and maintenance that a semi-automatic pistol requires, in the critical moment he may not be able to fire even the first: Is the safety off? Is the chamber loaded? Does the pistol need to be cocked?
I don't buy pistols with a manual safety unless it has a decocker. I always carry with one in the chamber, otherwise, it's just an expensive paperweight. And I certainly wouldn't own anything that needs to be cocked. The three pistols I carry are the SA XD-45, the Glock 23 and the Ruger LCP. Once any of them have round in the chamber, they will fire when you pull the trigger.
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