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Old 09-01-2014, 11:15 AM
 
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Bold phrase is key. Every single person who ever recommends a semi-auto pistol over a revolver has to include that phrase, or else they are lying.

And for every example you mention about how a revolver can be rendered useless I can find a similar example for a semi. Yes, a revolver can eventually bind up if you never clean it. But that uncleaned revolver will keep shooting long after a similarly-priced semi-auto has started repeatedly failing. My father had a squib in a semi our last time to the range. We had to bring it back home and completely tear it down to clear it. Any weapon can experience a total failure requiring tools to clear. But a revolver will never be a victim of limp-wristing, FTE, failure to return to battery, etc.

I stand by everything I've said here and elsewhere:
- When comparing similarly priced weapons, a semi-auto will experience a failure far more often than a revolver. A $250 semi will fail more often than a $250 revolver. A $600 semi will fail more often than a $600 revolver.
- When not properly maintained or firing sub-standard ammunition, a semi-auto will fail sooner and more often than a similarly-priced revolver.
- A double-action revolver is always ready to fire. No safety to worry about, no need to rack the slide; just point and pull the trigger. Of course with a semi-auto you can leave one in the chamber and keep the safety off, but most people new to guns don't feel comfortable doing that.
- If you are willing to 1) invest in a high-quality semi-auto, 2) regularly train with it including training for clearing failures, 3) keep it loaded and in "Condition 1" (or 2 for striker-fired pistols), and 4) invest in high-quality self-defense ammo (and practice with it to make sure your weapon will shoot it reliably), then it's OK to trust your life to a semi-auto. This is especially true with new gun owners (see title again: "Newb question...").

That said, I carry a Walther PPS, which is a semi-auto. I keep one in the chamber and it doesn't even have a safety.
In reference to a revolver......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj5Kcs4dzro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS057lKUtCs&NR=1
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:17 AM
 
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Ah, what the hey.....even 100+ year old designs that were good enough to be the U.S. sidearm for over 75 years. James Y.........eat my shorts!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqtA84eBmPQ
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Old 09-01-2014, 11:21 AM
 
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Does that mean a revolver is a bad choice? Well, that is up for you to decide. What is a known FACT is that revolvers aren't anymore reliable than a super quality semi-auto.


YMMV
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Old 09-01-2014, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Does that mean a revolver is a bad choice? Well, that is up for you to decide. What is a known FACT is that revolvers aren't anymore reliable than a super quality semi-auto.

YMMV
None of those videos are saying anything to contradict me, and again the bold text is the key. Plus the fact that every one of those videos shows experienced shooters, wide awake, who appear to train regularly. The OP in a middle-of-the-night self-defense situation meets none of those qualifications.

Also, I ask you... is a self-described "Newb" going to spring for that much of a gun? Is he going to train regularly? And the first video... how many people train using miss-fire drills by having a loader/helper randomly stick snap-caps into the mag? If you don't, then you aren't properly training miss-fires.

Also, let me stress this again... I carry and shoot a semi-auto. I am most definitely not trying to malign or insult semi-autos. I'll even agree that a standard mis-fire, using reliable ammo, a well-maintained gun, and a trained shooter, is a < 0.1% occurrence (1/1000).

I'm not recommending a revolver because of equipment malfunctions. I'm recommending a revolver because of user malfunctions.

Examples:
- A friend bought a Ruger 9mm pistol (I don't remember the model), then declared it was a piece of ****. It kept jamming and miss-firing. I took it apart, cleaned out all the congealed WD-40, properly lubed it, and suddenly it worked fine. Again, not a gun error, it was a user (maintenance) error. That guy who shot 1000-rds out of the 1911. If same guy had fired 100-rds, doused it in WD-40, let it cool and gather dust for a month, then repeated this 10 times... he would have never made it anywhere near 1000-rds. That Glock they dug out of the ground... there is a big difference between clean dirt and dirt/dust/powder mixed with gummed up oil and grease.
- I remember exactly one (1) miss-fire out of my Walther PPS (a stovepipe) with many many hundreds of rounds down-range. But it wasn't an equipment malfunction, it was user-error. I was rapid-firing with the flush-mount 6-round magazine (only 2 fingers on the grip) and a second finger slipped off the grip. Effectively it was a limp-wrist malfunction. But it was a malfunction that would not have happened with a revolver.

So a third time:
- Experienced shooter willing to train and keep the weapon ready-to-fire: get a good semi-auto.
- New shooter or someone unwilling or unable to keep it ready-to-fire: get a good revolver.
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