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Old 10-08-2014, 04:42 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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There's one additional thing that nobody ever thinks about but the cost of which is built into the product: insurance.

I'd be willing to bet that a company that makes a firearm accessory that has anything to do with the actual firing of the gun probably has to carry a pretty hefty liability insurance policy. Then there's the lawyers and other overhead that goes along with being the target of every anti-gun zealot out there. There's also a VERY limited market for them, so of course the prices will go up. It has to be worth their while to produce these things for such a small number of buyers.
Well, that limited market still has my NFA items tied up for 9+ months while I wait in line. The market is a lot larger than most people realize. It's big enough that the E-Form website died soon due to traffic.
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Old 10-08-2014, 05:28 PM
 
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Well, that limited market still has my NFA items tied up for 9+ months while I wait in line. The market is a lot larger than most people realize. It's big enough that the E-Form website died soon due to traffic.
Well, consider that the people who brought you the health insurance exchange are also responsible for the E-Form website and long lines are a natural product of government registration. I agree that the market is larger than most people realize, but in our current legal environment there aren't enough customers to support an economy of scale. It's still basically a custom market.
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:04 PM
 
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Well, consider that the people who brought you the health insurance exchange are also responsible for the E-Form website and long lines are a natural product of government registration. I agree that the market is larger than most people realize, but in our current legal environment there aren't enough customers to support an economy of scale. It's still basically a custom market.

In 2013, 164,000 people filed Form 4's, most of which were for suppressors.

In 2013, 80,567 Camaros (all styles), and 77,186 Mustangs (all styles) were sold. A total of 157,753 vehicles between the two.

When you pull up to a redlight and see a Mustang or Camaro, do you think "small custom market, no economy of scale"?

I don't. I bet you think..."Damn things are everywhere. All the same. Everyone has one."
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:16 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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In 2013, 164,000 people filed Form 4's, most of which were for suppressors.

In 2013, 80,567 Camaros (all styles), and 77,186 Mustangs (all styles) were sold. A total of 157,753 vehicles between the two.

When you pull up to a redlight and see a Mustang or Camaro, do you think "small custom market, no economy of scale"?

I don't. I bet you think..."Damn things are everywhere. All the same. Everyone has one."
The market that includes the Mustang and Camaro also include every other car under a certain price point.

A better comparison would be to a niche within a larger market. If you want to stick with cars, you could say that the silencer is to the gun industry as the built-up trail Jeep is to the motor vehicle industry. You see them around sometimes, but as a percentage of vehicles on the road, they're negligible.

And I'm familiar with NFA items, although I don't own any suppressors. The latest addition to my trust is a PS90, which I'm going to convert to a SBR.
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Old 10-08-2014, 09:59 PM
 
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The market that includes the Mustang and Camaro also include every other car under a certain price point.

A better comparison would be to a niche within a larger market. If you want to stick with cars, you could say that the silencer is to the gun industry as the built-up trail Jeep is to the motor vehicle industry. You see them around sometimes, but as a percentage of vehicles on the road, they're negligible.

And I'm familiar with NFA items, although I don't own any suppressors. The latest addition to my trust is a PS90, which I'm going to convert to a SBR.
Lets put it another way...


You won't put a better suppressor in your hands than one you can buy for around $1200 (metaphorically).
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Old 10-09-2014, 08:53 AM
 
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In 2013, 164,000 people filed Form 4's, most of which were for suppressors.

In 2013, 80,567 Camaros (all styles), and 77,186 Mustangs (all styles) were sold. A total of 157,753 vehicles between the two.

When you pull up to a redlight and see a Mustang or Camaro, do you think "small custom market, no economy of scale"?

I don't. I bet you think..."Damn things are everywhere. All the same. Everyone has one."
You're right that I don't think "small custom market" when I think about Camaros and Mustangs, but you may have just convinced me that I should. GM alone built 9.7 million vehicles in 2013, which would make the Camaro less than 1% of total output and probably an insignificant revenue stream relative to GM's gross...

In any event, I'm waiting impatiently for Texas to adopt a version of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act. That would be pretty cool.
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Old 10-09-2014, 05:08 PM
 
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You're right that I don't think "small custom market" when I think about Camaros and Mustangs, but you may have just convinced me that I should. GM alone built 9.7 million vehicles in 2013, which would make the Camaro less than 1% of total output and probably an insignificant revenue stream relative to GM's gross...

In any event, I'm waiting impatiently for Texas to adopt a version of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act. That would be pretty cool.
Yeah, but you take that item out of Montana and see what happens. That is just a very thin line and I don't want to tread it. I'll pay my $200 and wait my 9 months. I have enough cans already that I don't yearn so much for the one I am waiting on. That's the secret!
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Old 01-09-2015, 10:23 AM
 
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OP I seriously dought you have a [Mod cut] clue how difficult it is to machine onconel. And how much materials cost.

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Old 01-09-2015, 11:52 PM
 
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And here I thought all I needed to make a suppressor was an oil filter and a double nut, or a two liter soda bottle and some duck tape.

I saw it on youtube so it must be true!
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Old 01-10-2015, 04:53 PM
 
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And here I thought all I needed to make a suppressor was an oil filter and a double nut, or a two liter soda bottle and some duck tape.

I saw it on youtube so it must be true!
The soda bottle thing is just full of fail.
The oil-filter sounds pretty good, but it's absurd as well. Makes seeing your sights rather difficult...
There is also a fair amount of argument that any spare oil filter on your property then becomes "suppressor parts" per the BATFE...
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