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Old 10-26-2014, 05:42 PM
 
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You all completely missed the point of my posts. If the school has a shooting program of some sort, then yes the students should be allowed to have their picture taken with the rifle, or whatever, that was used with the school activity.

If the school does not have any shooting program, then no, the student should not be allowed.

This limits items to school activities being used in the pictures.
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Old 10-27-2014, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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You all completely missed the point of my posts. If the school has a shooting program of some sort, then yes the students should be allowed to have their picture taken with the rifle, or whatever, that was used with the school activity.

If the school does not have any shooting program, then no, the student should not be allowed.

This limits items to school activities being used in the pictures.
So if the school doesn't have an at program, growing trees, then the backdrop behind the student, can't have trees?

Give me a brake. Why does it have to be related. A student should be able to present any picture they want. Secondary items should not be an issue. what the hell is wrong with guns?
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Old 10-27-2014, 08:45 PM
 
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So if the school doesn't have an at program, growing trees, then the backdrop behind the student, can't have trees?

Give me a brake. Why does it have to be related. A student should be able to present any picture they want. Secondary items should not be an issue. what the hell is wrong with guns?
It has nothing to do with guns. It opens the door to people wanting their picture taken with anything they want. i.e., my porn example. If anything is allowed, you know there will be some dumb@ass who will try and have their picture taken with something stupid just because they can. You limit it to school sanctioned events, this solves that problem.
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Old 10-27-2014, 09:05 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with guns. It opens the door to people wanting their picture taken with anything they want. i.e., my porn example. If anything is allowed, you know there will be some dumb@ass who will try and have their picture taken with something stupid just because they can. You limit it to school sanctioned events, this solves that problem.
Too convoluted. Who wants to maintain a list of what an "approved" item is? And who would want to be limited to items on such a list?

A much simpler solution - which is what is obviously in place already, or this story wouldn't exist - is to have an approval process. Submit whatever photos you like, but whether or not they're published is up to the school.
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Old 10-27-2014, 11:14 PM
 
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It has nothing to do with guns. It opens the door to people wanting their picture taken with anything they want. i.e., my porn example. If anything is allowed, you know there will be some dumb@ass who will try and have their picture taken with something stupid just because they can. You limit it to school sanctioned events, this solves that problem.
So the schook can sanction the JROTC, but not accept guns in the photo? Don't be rediculouse, the school doesn't sanction porn. There are acceptable things and not acceptable things. Don't take it out of context.
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Old 10-28-2014, 08:39 AM
 
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So the schook can sanction the JROTC, but not accept guns in the photo? Don't be rediculouse, the school doesn't sanction porn. There are acceptable things and not acceptable things. Don't take it out of context.
FFS. If the school has an ROTC program that uses rifles, THEN THE STUDENT SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO USE THE RIFLE IN THE PICTURE!! How hard is that for you to understand? It is a school function so there is your answer. If the school does NOT have an ROTC or they have an ROTC program that DOES NOT use weapons, then the student should NOT be allowed to use it in the picture. You have such a hard on to make this a gun issue. This has nothing to do with guns and everything to do with the guidelines on what is and is not allowed in the pictures.

You said, there are acceptable things and not acceptable things. If there are no guidelines, then it is constantly a judgment call by the school board on what is acceptable. This is a can of worms that the school system does not want to open. Limit it to school sanctioned activities and the items associated with these activities. Problem solved.
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Old 10-28-2014, 10:05 AM
 
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headingtoDenver, may I ask how old you are?
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Old 10-28-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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I disagree with the guy heading toward Denver.

It should be simple:
1) all senior pictures to be published in an official school document (i.e., the yearbook) must be approved by faculty; and
2) anything rejected must be rejected for a specific and reasonable reason.

Pretty much anything else goes. Want a picture with your cat? Fine. Dog, wheelbarrow, tractor, football, weedeater, coffee mug, and/or computer? Go for it.

The slippery-slope fallacy of "if non-school objects are allowed, why not porn", is ridiculous. Every school in this country has rules against display of pornographic material. If the picture violates that rule, then the picture can be rejected. Yes, this means that if the school has written rules against the display of weapons (and many do so), then the inclusion of weapons in senior pictures would be a valid cause for rejection. A ridiculous cause, but valid and enforceable non-the-less.

If someone wants take "senior pictures" of their 18-year-old holding a bazooka while wearing a bikini then they have every right to do so; and the school has every right to refuse to publish that picture in their yearbook because it violates the school's dress code.

I repeat that the school is showing a little common sense, as well as a little push-back against the "zero tolerance" no-weapons policies of the past few decades. This is a welcome event. But I doubt if any "antis" heads will explode.
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Old 10-29-2014, 10:50 AM
 
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I disagree with the guy heading toward Denver.

It should be simple:
1) all senior pictures to be published in an official school document (i.e., the yearbook) must be approved by faculty; and
2) anything rejected must be rejected for a specific and reasonable reason.

Pretty much anything else goes. Want a picture with your cat? Fine. Dog, wheelbarrow, tractor, football, weedeater, coffee mug, and/or computer? Go for it.

The slippery-slope fallacy of "if non-school objects are allowed, why not porn", is ridiculous. Every school in this country has rules against display of pornographic material. If the picture violates that rule, then the picture can be rejected. Yes, this means that if the school has written rules against the display of weapons (and many do so), then the inclusion of weapons in senior pictures would be a valid cause for rejection. A ridiculous cause, but valid and enforceable non-the-less.

If someone wants take "senior pictures" of their 18-year-old holding a bazooka while wearing a bikini then they have every right to do so; and the school has every right to refuse to publish that picture in their yearbook because it violates the school's dress code.

I repeat that the school is showing a little common sense, as well as a little push-back against the "zero tolerance" no-weapons policies of the past few decades. This is a welcome event. But I doubt if any "antis" heads will explode.
Very well stated response.
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