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Old 12-23-2014, 02:44 PM
 
Location: South Carolina
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Just because someone is staring at you and getting close to you is not a reason to draw a weapon on them, in my opinion. I'm probably going to go hands on a little bit and push them back or something before I draw a weapon, but I am a young athletic male. If they have a knife/weapon or they're making threatening statements, fine, but just because they're staring and getting somewhat close? That sounds like paranoia to me.
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Old 12-24-2014, 09:21 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Just because someone is staring at you and getting close to you is not a reason to draw a weapon on them, in my opinion. I'm probably going to go hands on a little bit and push them back or something before I draw a weapon, but I am a young athletic male. If they have a knife/weapon or they're making threatening statements, fine, but just because they're staring and getting somewhat close? That sounds like paranoia to me.
In a nutshell..yes. My feeling is, if one is going to carry a weapon for defense, ANY weapon, one should learn a bit about reading situations. Situational awareness does not mean hands on, code red, 24-7. In reality, if you are armed, and being accosted or berrated by some drunk clown, the obligation to retreat is yours. Aplyying the Final Solution would hardly be worth it.

That's what so many folks don't seem to get. Being armed does NOT mean you're looking for a fight. Quite the opposite. If one is going to go armed, a willingness to be a bit...humble...goes along with that.
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Old 12-25-2014, 05:46 PM
 
Location: Southeast, where else?
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Interesting story, thanks for sharing. Though, some might argue that to carry a gun is not a privilege, rather, it's a Constitutional Right.
I would like to believe its a right, however, that is a very liberal interpretation of the 2nd ammendment written at a different time. If Holder can do what he did and get away with it, there is no telling what constitutional endeavor the liberals won't twist to fit their view of America.

Unfortunately for them, the chances of rounding up 300,000,000 weapons is on par with sending all the illegals back. Good luck with that, right?

It's a right, real or imagined now and I will always own some. Legal or otherwise. I just don't care what liberals say or think, anymore.
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Old 12-26-2014, 01:24 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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In a nutshell..yes. My feeling is, if one is going to carry a weapon for defense, ANY weapon, one should learn a bit about reading situations. Situational awareness does not mean hands on, code red, 24-7. In reality, if you are armed, and being accosted or berrated by some drunk clown, the obligation to retreat is yours. Aplyying the Final Solution would hardly be worth it.

That's what so many folks don't seem to get. Being armed does NOT mean you're looking for a fight. Quite the opposite. If one is going to go armed, a willingness to be a bit...humble...goes along with that.
You are correct, because you are armed, you can afford to be humble, to a point. But, I will tell you that when I was forced to use deadly force, there was absolutely no doubt that the situation required deadly force. There was not a remote possibility of backing down, he came through my door with a gun drawn. Even with that, I still questioned myself on whether I could withdraw from the situation. I put that on the training I received. That hesitation, could have been costly.
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Old 12-27-2014, 07:53 AM
 
Location: WI
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Even with that, I still questioned myself on whether I could withdraw from the situation. I put that on the training I received. That hesitation, could have been costly.
I think that statement on training says a lot. It was gone thru over and over in our ccw class, the training that one should have if they choose to carry. I can be a good shot at the range, but that is in a calm environment and paper doesnt shoot back. I'll only speak for myself but i'll make sure i have solid training before i venture outside with a holstered firearm.
Training maybe cant make a decision for us but i'm sure it gives us the knowledge and confidence in that the decision we do make will be the right one. Glad to hear it worked for you.
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Old 12-28-2014, 06:57 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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I would like to believe its a right, however, that is a very liberal interpretation of the 2nd ammendment written at a different time.
Very true. When the 2nd was drafted, it was drafted with State and National security being the primary focus, and personal self defense was just a bonus. The citizens being armed and able to defend their country's freedom was of the utmost importance to keeping this new "free state" free. However, before 2008, I couldn't have said with a straight face that the founders intended for the 2nd to codify a Right of the citizen to carry a firearm around with them in their daily life.

However, that all changed with the Heller decision. When the Heller ruling came down in '08, it shifted the focus of the 2nd to being less about national security, to being more about personal self-defense. With this new interpretation by the Supreme Court, it only makes sense that the 2nd Amendment Right to personal self defense would extend beyond the doorstep of ones home. Under Heller, a Right tio Carry is the only logical conclusion.
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Old 01-01-2015, 06:57 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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You are correct, because you are armed, you can afford to be humble, to a point. But, I will tell you that when I was forced to use deadly force, there was absolutely no doubt that the situation required deadly force. There was not a remote possibility of backing down, he came through my door with a gun drawn. Even with that, I still questioned myself on whether I could withdraw from the situation. I put that on the training I received. That hesitation, could have been costly.
Same here. The one time my weapon actually came out, the situation had degenerated car past any...diplomacy. Another situation , involving multiple assailants, my hand was going for my gun. But my friend who was with me had made it to my truck, and let my dog out. He took one of them straight down and the other two ran. But were arrested later when their buddy sqealed.

I was very glad it worked out thus. The one my dog took down was just a kid. 16 yo. The oldest of them was 21 the next 18. Stupid kids , all, but the ones who ran were old enough for real prison time. They tried to roll the wrong two guys. & it could have been way worse for them. I'd like to think that , at least, the really young one straightened up after that.

The deep that attacked my lady wishes that she had used a gun to defend herself. She used a minute. A razor honed Kershaw Vapor. He did live, and won't be trying to rape ever again. The way she looked, and the look in her eyes, when I got to the hospital, ...I still have nightmares about it. And I'm not just adding that for emphasis. I really do. Nothing like hers though.

I consider my training as totally priceless. I've had great instructors and classmates as well. I've been carrying a weapon for a long time. Shoot competitively on a regular basis at master in one discipline and grand master in another, and I honestly wish I had enough money to go to more school. Someplace like LFI or Thunder Ranch. One can't train enough.

I do believe that , perhaps, failure rates need to go up for CCW applicants, at the training stage. There are a couple "schools" locally, newly founded, that have turned out some scary "graduates". Ran into quite a few of them in competition. They were NOT proficient enough, IMO, to have a CCW. They needed a LOT more practice time, under strict supervision. I don't have a bit of issue with tightening up training standards.

The qualification courses should be a lot tougher, not as if these students are training for CRT or anything, but being satisfied with a 7 yard , single target with any rounds just on paper, seems a bit lax for passing standard. I would like to see more instructors make students work under pressure as well, and make a test in such part of overall passing grade.

As a matter of fact, my feeling is , that, the DCM should have proper instruction readily available, at a totally reasonable price, if not free. The government should fund the DCM well and get proactive with this program, but the tone in DC for that doesn't make that look likely. Maybe the states should manage their own programs with the federal money allocated for it.
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Old 01-02-2015, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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NVP,

I firmly believe that CCW training should be reactionary, 2 shots. That's it. After the first 2 rnds down the pipe, you have a lifetime to figure out what you want to do with the rest.

I believe, the most important part of the training is in the laws and local attitude of law enforcement. I got the most out of that and it saved my bacon. I had a one hour inquest and never stepped in a courthouse again.

Like I say, training, training, training, so that everything, like competition, is all reactionary and muscle memory. Its too late to think. Thinking is for tactical considerations in a fire fight, and that is not what it is. The intruder had a gun drawn, had no idea I had a gun in my hand, I double tapped and both shots were to the head, and he still got a shot off.
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Old 01-26-2015, 07:09 PM
 
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Never stop training for any given situation. Situational awareness too. You were at a table, with plenty of weapons. Knives, forks, glasses etc etc.
Every situation is different. But, when carrying, you need, as you well know, to be prepared to use. But avoid confrontation at all costs..
Everyone can give great advice, which has been done here, but every situation is different especially when it happens to you. Everyone, unless highly trained for things like this, reacts differently.
be safe.
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