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At the range, I'm 100% ear protection. Out hunting, not so much, mainly because it masks other sounds that may be being made (another party in our group in distress, etc).
Three run......the results are in, and yeah - as suspected your constipation is being caused by your head being in the exit.
My ear-pro magnifies sounds. You need to buy something nice for yourself this Christmas. Hearing is irreplaceable, and think of all the sounds you're NOT hearing because you aren't wearing electronic ear-pro (I can hear leaves MUCH! better with mine, and I just have a cheap set of Peltor Tac6s because sometimes I train in the rain/it is prone to getting hit on car roofs/doors,etc. and I don't want to break nice things).
.30-06 Spfd. (180 at 2700) 8.0———————— 20.3--------------------12.8
.45-70 (350 at 1900) 7.0————————-37.9---------------------18.7
338 Win. Mag. (225 at 2780) 8.5-----------------35.2 --------------------16.3
I have a .30-06 and a 45-70 guide gun. I owned a .338 WinMag Sako and will more than likely get another. Out of curiosity- How much did your 'shoulder beast' tamer set you back?
Most of the perception of recoil reduction is due to the 16-30oz (depending on suppressor) weight handing ON THE END of the barrel. Think about it...gas is not being redirected out some other oriface like a brake. Mass and velocity of the projectile are un-changed.
So you want to figure his recoil reduction? Add 1.5# or whatever to the rifle-weight in your equation, and consider its effect on muzzle-rise and the shooter's perception that recoil = muzzle rise, and I think you will find your answer.
Most of the perception of recoil reduction is due to the 16-30oz (depending on suppressor) weight handing ON THE END of the barrel. Think about it...gas is not being redirected out some other oriface like a brake. Mass and velocity of the projectile are un-changed.
So you want to figure his recoil reduction? Add 1.5# or whatever to the rifle-weight in your equation, and consider its effect on muzzle-rise and the shooter's perception that recoil = muzzle rise, and I think you will find your answer.
Not exactly... the mass x velocity of the bullet is unchanged, as is the mass of the propellant gasses, but the velocity of the propellant gasses is significantly reduced with a suppressor. The can captures some of the gas giving it room to expand in an enclosed area, and it leaves the end of the barrel much slower. With some calibers the propellant gasses can generate over half of the total recoil.
As for the 7mm R-Mag vs. .30-06... No, it's not a "shoulder beast" when compared against something like a lightweight .45-70 carbine. But it's still above the "flinch threshold" of about 20ft-lbs, which is one of several the reasons why the US Military dropped from the .30-06 to the .308 after Korea.
Most of the perception of recoil reduction is due to the 16-30oz (depending on suppressor) weight handing ON THE END of the barrel. Think about it...gas is not being redirected out some other oriface like a brake. Mass and velocity of the projectile are un-changed.
So you want to figure his recoil reduction? Add 1.5# or whatever to the rifle-weight in your equation, and consider its effect on muzzle-rise and the shooter's perception that recoil = muzzle rise, and I think you will find your answer.
They weigh 1.5lbs?! Oh God no way I want to schlep that kind of additional weight in the mountains.
I just looked up the shotgun recoil tables. My 3" goose loads in a Mossberg 500 push about 54lbs recoil energy. I hardly notice it in the moment, and we shoot a crap load of rounds on an average hunt morning. I'm still curious as to the cost of these things.
They weigh 1.5lbs?! Oh God no way I want to schlep that kind of additional weight in the mountains.
I just looked up the shotgun recoil tables. My 3" goose loads in a Mossberg 500 push about 54lbs recoil energy. I hardly notice it in the moment, and we shoot a crap load of rounds on an average hunt morning. I'm still curious as to the cost of these things.
Couple of hundred or more for a silencer, then you have to be fingerprinted, pay a $200 tax, and wait anywhere between 6 months and a year for the ATF to process your paperwork before you can pick up your silencer.
Couple of hundred or more for a silencer, then you have to be fingerprinted, pay a $200 tax, and wait anywhere between 6 months and a year for the ATF to process your paperwork before you can pick up your silencer.
Wyoming is legal and has been for a while, but cost has been prohibitive, so far. It is on my to see if u can take a little bark out of my .25-06.
I do I use electronic muffs that take out a very large part of the bark. I used to shoot 2 DCM matches a day, and that would be 130 rounds of .30-06. Pretty taxing on the ears, so I started using the electronic muffs. The do an outstanding job of dampening, and they amplify for range commands. A neat sideline to it is you can crank it up while hunting and amplify game movement. But I still want to surpress as soon as I can afford to do it.
Whole lotta "experts" on here......with inaccurate info and guesses.
The suppressor weighs 20.7 ounces. I walk a half mile to the blind, so it's not anything really hard to put up with.
My last two stamps took 4 months to come back on a Form 4 Trust.
The Saker cost me $900 + the tax stamp.
The Silencerco Osprey I won, so only had to pay for the tax stamp.
There is a company, the name escapes me right now, out of Cheyenne Wyoming that makes and sells suppressors. I understand they make a pretty good one. I have NOT had the opportunity to test fire one of their suppressors. Would like to shoot with and without suppressor. Price is compatible. They quoted me $875. They have 3 or 4 units and I don't even remember which model I got the price quote for.
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