U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Hobbies and Recreation > Guns and Hunting
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-24-2015, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Eastern Shore of Maryland
5,941 posts, read 2,497,448 times
Reputation: 5609

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by Orlandochuck1 View Post
Live fire practice would be ideal, but in addition to whatever live fire you can do, also dry fire practice your draw and strong hand only point shooting. Then live fire to confirm your practice. Point shooting is for short distance shooting, five yards or less. Distances longer than that, you need to see your sights. You naturally can point with your finger accurately at short distances, you have done it your whole life. The gun is just an extension of your hand at short distances.
Repetition, Repetition, Repetition.
Good description. I had a friend who was a Police Officer, and he tried to teach me some points in reflex shooting. He was exceptional at it, over long distances. He shot a lot of combat courses and used a Colt Gold Cup .45 cal, and always said repetition was the only way to learn, and, as you said, the gun was just an extension of his hand.

I had all I could do to hit a target with my 9mm Sig and using both hands and the sights. Definitely not a handgun shooter
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-27-2015, 08:35 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
2,749 posts, read 2,616,034 times
Reputation: 2654
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhipperSnapper 88 View Post
No matter how you do it, your sights will probably have to play some role, outside of an in your face encounter. You'd be amazed at just how easy it is to miss a decent sized target at a very short distance when you don't use your sights at all.

Put it this way...... I read somewhere that police only hit their target 40% of the time in encounters that happen within ten feet or less. That's only 4 out of ten shots on target at a max distance of 10 feet....

.....scary.

Maybe someone can cite that stat here if they know where to find it.
Various departments have various stats. NYPD has been as low as in the 20's, I believe. Until you've shot at people who are shooting back at you and moving, you really don't understand it. Also, believe me, you want to see your sights. Point shooting is a method of using luck and body mechanics in an attempt to replace training and competence. There is a reason that it is not taught anymore by anyone reputable, and there is a reason that no competition shooter (pistol or rifle) who actually places nationally uses it. If it really and truly were faster and more accurate, IPSC, etc. and other "clock dominated" activities would see very widespread use of it. They don't. NOONE uses it except history buffs, cut-rate instructors, and those training massive amounts of illiterates in an attempt to get the bullets out of the correct end of the weapon.

Rather than wasting ammunition trying to learn this, why not spend that money on some actual training? Rob Leatham, Frank Proctor, etc. are all readily available, by and large, and can actually improve your shooting skillset. Shameless plug, Frank Proctor was an awesome instructor and I learned a lot in his last course that I took!

Here is a bit of info on "shooting fast"
www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJvT3Cd4iME
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2015, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
18,696 posts, read 35,437,993 times
Reputation: 2147483647
The other thing to think about is that point shooting can be learned. It should only take 2-3 barrels and figuring 8,000 to 10,000 rnds per barrel, shouldn't take any time at all. haha

Seriously, I learned and by no way shape or form am I good at it (can hit center mass at 25 yards, usually) with a 1911 service gun. I run 300-400 rnds a week for about 5 years, specifically shooting by feel. That does not include the timed fire and bullseye shooting, so easily, I run a thousand rnds a week through my .45. (Match grade ammo furnished by Uncle Sam's Canoe Club or I never would have been able to do it). When you burn that much powder, you either get good, or you fail miserably. I was on both the Navy's pistol and rifle team. I've mentioned on here in the past that I don't relaod , but instead, I compete with factory ammo because factory ammo is furnished. That is why. We have to use service weapons. Even installing an ambidextrous safety on a 1911, will disqualify the weapon. So if we practiced with reloads, it would throw us seriously off. Our team of 7, was authorized 25,000 rnds of match grade ammo to practice with, for each platform, per quarter. By each platform, I mean 25,000 rnds of .45, 25,000 rnds of 9mm, 25,000 rnds of .30-06, 25,000 rnds of .308, 25,000 rnds of 5.56, although there were not a lot of 5.56 weenies.

We've all heard that the most dangerous thing in the world is an untrained, scared, female in the dark. I've seen stats on that and although its funny, its not far off. Instinct causes a scared female to simply point and squeeze. To have the instinct, or to learn it, are two separate things. The other thing is that every gun is different. Its not like you learn it and you are good to go. You can take two guns that are perfectly matched, except one has a trigger pull that is an eight inch different, or just a few ounces different and it throws your timing completely off.
__________________
[B][COLOR="Red"]"No Copyrighted Material."[/COLOR][/B]
[URL="http://www.city-data.com/"][COLOR="SeaGreen"]CD Home page[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forumtos.html"][COLOR="seagreen"]TOS (Terms of Service)[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/faq/107997-search-function-using-search-function.html"][COLOR="SeaGreen"]How to Search,[/COLOR][/URL] [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/faq/"][COLOR="SeaGreen"]FAQ's[/COLOR][/URL], [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/faq/70589-guide-guide-city-data-posting.html"][COLOR="SeaGreen"]Guide[/COLOR][/URL]
[URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/wyoming/"]Wyoming[/URL], [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/montana/"]Montana[/URL], [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/north-dakota/"]North Dakota[/URL], [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/south-dakota/"]South Dakota[/URL], [URL="http://www.city-data.com/forum/guns-hunting/"]Guns and Hunting[/URL]
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-27-2015, 10:42 PM
 
48,519 posts, read 81,076,846 times
Reputation: 17978
Most people try to hard see thru rear sight to front. Good stances and practice means you concentrate on front and rear centers on it.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-03-2015, 07:35 AM
 
2 posts, read 969 times
Reputation: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by JWG223 View Post
Various departments have various stats. NYPD has been as low as in the 20's, I believe. Until you've shot at people who are shooting back at you and moving, you really don't understand it. Also, believe me, you want to see your sights. Point shooting is a method of using luck and body mechanics in an attempt to replace training and competence. There is a reason that it is not taught anymore by anyone reputable, and there is a reason that no competition shooter (pistol or rifle) who actually places nationally uses it. If it really and truly were faster and more accurate, IPSC, etc. and other "clock dominated" activities would see very widespread use of it. They don't. NOONE uses it except history buffs, cut-rate instructors, and those training massive amounts of illiterates in an attempt to get the bullets out of the correct end of the weapon.

Rather than wasting ammunition trying to learn this, why not spend that money on some actual training?
Rob Leatham, Frank Proctor, etc. are all readily available, by and large, and can actually improve your shooting skillset. Shameless plug, Frank Proctor was an awesome instructor and I learned a lot in his last course that I took!

Here is a bit of info on "shooting fast"

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJvT3Cd4iME"]www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJvT3Cd4iME[/URL]
You can say that again. IPSC is not the end all, be all in pistol training. Anyone who was trained elsewhere thinks their endless and needlessly "press checking" their weapon while shooting is both a waste of time and can be even considered dangerous as no other training puts your hands anywhere near the muzzle THAT MANY times in a few minutes.

Someone shooting back at you changes your mindset completely. Most, if not all shooters over the age of 65 need to learn and practice at least some form of point shooting. Their eyes aren't what thy once were and they have trouble seeing the sights all the time in various light. Besides, what great "skill" is it to be able to ring a 8" steel plate at less than 25 yards repeatedly?.........IPSC






[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NERiXZu8GXI[/url]





Try putting an entire magazine into a 2" or less "dot" at 7-15 yards.......

Now that takes a competent shooter who uses EVERYTHING he has and can!



[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7WoyJSgxr4[/url]
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-06-2015, 12:16 AM
 
108 posts, read 103,431 times
Reputation: 35
It's just matter of good practice...
and also choose a pistol that fits you well, and has the attributes you want in a sidearm. & use point-shooting only at very close range, as the best known "tactically minded" shooters strongly encourage flash sighting beyond a couple yards. It's best to practice with hornady bullets with multiple targets, . and also sometimes while moving...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 05-06-2015, 11:55 AM
 
Location: MS
3,971 posts, read 3,859,071 times
Reputation: 1376
I.C.E. Firearm and Self Defense Training

Rob Pincus developed the Combat Focus shooting program. His You Tube channel has a lot of practice drills.

Since you are in an urban area, what about a laser training system? I've seen them at all price points from some of the larger outdoor stores like Midway USA.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Hobbies and Recreation > Guns and Hunting
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top