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Old 04-29-2015, 05:13 PM
 
Location: West Madison^WMHT
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For legal reasons I would avoid using an AR-15, AK style shotgun, or silenced weapon for home defense.
I'm more concerned about ensuring I live long enough to talk to the police than I am about "legal reasons". A suppressor on a home defense weapon improves your odds of surviving, not just because it makes the report quiet(er), but also preserves night vision. Also improves your odds of not having permanent hearing damage and avoids setting the curtains on fire.

If your state has a good "castle doctrine" law, you have little to fear in court, criminal nor civil, just because of your choice of legal weapon in your home.

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Your best home defense weapon is cheap (because you will likely not get it back after a home defense shooting) , durable, portable, with high capacity.
Durable and reliable seldom go together with cheap.
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:13 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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For legal reasons I would avoid using an AR-15, AK style shotgun, or silenced weapon for home defense.

Your best home defense weapon is cheap (because you will likely not get it back after a home defense shooting) , durable, portable, with high capacity. I'd say something like a S&W M&P9C or Ruger P95. 9MM cartridge with hollowpoints or .45ACP with regular ball ammo. Plenty of practice using the weapon... don't just buy it and put it away and expect to shoot someone with no practice whatsoever unholstering, dry firing, operating the safety, etc.
I'd pass on ball ammo, and if I lose my $3K suppressed M4 for 6 months or so, I really don't care. I survived, and I have more where it came from. Agree on training though, whatever you buy!
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Old 04-29-2015, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Gods country
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Thanks all for responding I now have a good idea on where to start.
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Old 04-30-2015, 04:42 AM
 
Location: Wartrace,TN
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I vote for the iconic Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun - in tactical setup with shortened barrel and 6+1 capacity. The dread of robbers, low-lifes, and scum intent on home and business burglaries for the last 80+ years.
Do not get the pistol grip unless you enjoy the sensation of a dislocated wrist.
I have a pistol grip on my Benneli M3 and I find it much better than a conventional stock. Just my personal opinion.
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Old 04-30-2015, 10:13 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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After viewing the events in Furgusen and now Baltimore I have come to the conclusion that a high capacity home defense weapon should be on my shopping list. Handguns are covered, would a shotgun be the logical choice. If so, what do you guys like?



the very best firearm for home defense is the firearm that is in your hands, as it is ready to be used against a criminal.
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Old 04-30-2015, 11:31 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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I have a pistol grip on my Benneli M3 and I find it much better than a conventional stock. Just my personal opinion.
I believe that he means the PG-ONLY type shotguns. I have an M4, and much prefer the PG to the Field stock. I've tried them both. Now granted, I'm no 3-gunner, so I'm not trying to quad-load my shotgun, in which case the PG might get in the way. I just have more CONTROL over it and can actually fire it somewhat effectively 1-handed with the PG stock.
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Old 04-30-2015, 10:56 PM
 
Location: Spots Wyoming
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It honestly depends on the medium, and the round. 00 BUCK is a very VERY poor penetrator of car doors, in my experience, and of wood. However, it will make short work of dry-wall, and penetrates very deeply in soft tissue.

9mm does a little better on car doors and wood, and depending on the load may penetrate either more, or less soft tissue.

5.56 can be tailored to your desire. I have loads that will frag violently on 1 piece of 1/4" soggy ply-board at 200+ yards, and I have loads that will punch nearly 30" of game animal with 1/2" expansion.
There usually are no car doors involved in home defense, but instead, penetration of sheetrock. Wasn't too long ago, this came up right here on City Data. Pictures were posted of standard 1/2 inch sheetrock backed by blocks of jell. Several pictures posted showed the 00 buck and 000 buck that almost doubled penetration of 9mm and just shy of 5.56. We can argue all week about deflection of the 2x4'd or angle of impact, eyv... but it would be pointless. The 00 buck out performed several rifles and handguns. What is scary is all the people, with kids, that don't understand that and have a 00 shotgun, standing by in the safe, or worse yet, leaning in the corner of the bedroom.
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Old 04-30-2015, 11:10 PM
 
Location: OC, CA
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I agree dog and gun can't be beat.

Get a gun that you are comfortable with that you will practice with and become proficient.

Something that fits like a glove in your hand.

For me with big hands if it was dedicated HD I would go Beretta 92FS it just fits like a glove even better than a Glock 19.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:49 PM
Status: "Gone hunting until December!" (set 26 days ago)
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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There usually are no car doors involved in home defense, but instead, penetration of sheetrock. Wasn't too long ago, this came up right here on City Data. Pictures were posted of standard 1/2 inch sheetrock backed by blocks of jell. Several pictures posted showed the 00 buck and 000 buck that almost doubled penetration of 9mm and just shy of 5.56. We can argue all week about deflection of the 2x4'd or angle of impact, eyv... but it would be pointless. The 00 buck out performed several rifles and handguns. What is scary is all the people, with kids, that don't understand that and have a 00 shotgun, standing by in the safe, or worse yet, leaning in the corner of the bedroom.
That was on brassfetcher.com
If I recall shards of the door were blown deep into the ballistic gel as well. Very devastating home defense round, perfectly capable of stopping an intruder like right now.

Here's one vid going through with a car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG5xbx6O9to

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Old 05-01-2015, 01:20 PM
 
Location: City of Central
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Don't laugh , hear me out on this one . .30 Cal Carbine , 15 rd magazine full of Hornady 110 gr FTX Critical Defense ammo . Lightweight , compact , little to no recoil .
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