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Old 06-30-2015, 08:20 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Good to know. I might pocket carry my .380, it doesn't print at all, and it would only come out if we run into some weirdo.

I worry more about running into illegal grows and sketchy ppl.
I don't know if OC still issues CCL. It used to do so some time ago, might be worth checking.
If you cannot get CCL though, there's an exeption to conceal carry law for hunters (and fishermen) actually doing hunting (fishing), as well as hunters are allowed to conceal carry (but unloaded!) while hiking to their hunting place (could be anywhere). So, while living at California, I always has small game license just in case. And I open carried it in the woods and it never became an issue with other hikers (other than them joking about it, that they'll run for my help if they see a bear).

I actually had an altercasion with friendly police guys in Los Padres Forest. They stopped by to ask me put the fire down (you know, fire season, who cares that the camp was just by the river), and were unpleasantly surprised when they saw a gun on my hip. Long story short, after spending some time in handcuffs and them checking all my records, they unloaded my gun and suggested me to have some sleep, no arrest/ not even a ticket (not even for the fire). And while I wasn't exactly conceal carry, I was under influence of alcohol (and they knew it). Still, I was on my campsite, and they weren't rogue (and even could be called friendly).
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Old 07-02-2015, 03:40 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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LOL, no. The Judge is a poor choice for defense.The .410 shell is a snake round. It will not penetrate clothing even at close range. The .45 round it can shoot will most definitely go through a few walls before stopping if you miss your target. Not to mention it's a large round. Most people wouldn't be able to control it while firing.

This guy can explain it better than I can.
Read revisited #53

Their tune changed quite a bit. In the summary it says "some" loads met the 12 inch penetration rule. Well, that would be the round I will be shooting. I don't think having a real wide shot pattern is bad at all.
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Old 07-03-2015, 02:04 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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I actually carry around my house probably 75% of the time, if not more often even.
I admit to being somewhat lazy. I just have a weapon in every single room.
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Old 07-03-2015, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Read revisited #53

Their tune changed quite a bit. In the summary it says "some" loads met the 12 inch penetration rule. Well, that would be the round I will be shooting. I don't think having a real wide shot pattern is bad at all.
The Box O' Truth #53 - The Taurus Judge, Revisited The Box O' Truth
Some of the 3" shells did a lot better, but still with problems. Also, he tested the same ammo out of a regular .410 shotgun to show the difference. If you shoot a Judge at a bad guy it will do lots of damage... but there are lots of better options (including a defense-length pump or semi .410 shotgun).
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Old 07-03-2015, 05:34 PM
Status: "Gone hunting until December!" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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I think for most folks, a 20 gauge or even a .410, yes, a .410 would be sufficient.

Why?

A 20 gauge at close range is equally effective and much easier to wield. True, if you can handle a 12 gauge, great. And a good semi-auto in either is now reliable enough to be considered front line. I like a pump for simplicity and reliability but, that's mostly a myth now. The semi-autos are truly good enough from folks like Remington and Mossberg. THE gold plated choice for cost-effective shotguns.

Shot? "Hi-Brass" or #3 buck for .20 or 4 shot for 12 down to SINGLE Ought Buck (1 Buck) is a better choice. That BS about you need double ought or triple ought is just that. Better to create 15 wound channels from single ought than 8 or 9 from double or triple. Remember, people stop due to BLOOD Loss not, how powerful your round is or what you think is the mack daddy round de jour.

Go ahead skippy and pull the trigger on 2 3/4 inch double ought out of your 18 inch shotty and tell me what you think of the recoil. Now, do that in your hallway, late at night, when you are half asleep. Please. Everything that can do a .20 gauge can do equally well. A .410 puts out the equivalent of two (2) 9mm rounds at the same time. Think that won't hurt or, as some might say, is ineffective?
Oh I've fired 3" 00 Buck from an 18" barrel in my Mossberg pump. OUCH!!!!!!!

Yeah- 2 3/4" is just fine- high brass #4 is what I load for home defense first in the barrel and then 0 Buck, then 00 Buck. Finally- slugs.
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Old 07-03-2015, 07:53 PM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Oh I've fired 3" 00 Buck from an 18" barrel in my Mossberg pump. OUCH!!!!!!!

Yeah- 2 3/4" is just fine- high brass #4 is what I load for home defense first in the barrel and then 0 Buck, then 00 Buck. Finally- slugs.
Why?

Sounds like a liability to me.
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Old 07-04-2015, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Vista, CA/Meadow Lakes, AK
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Why?

Sounds like a liability to me.

I'll have to agree with that.

I've never understood the perception of many folks that using bird or small shot is as viable as using 000 or 00, or slug for that matter.

If it's a penetration issue if one misses and you're worried about wall penetrations, then perhaps more range time is in order. Know what you're shooting at, and know what's behind it, etc.
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Old 07-04-2015, 01:16 AM
Status: "Gone hunting until December!" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Why?

Sounds like a liability to me.
Because #4 at close range is a good round for control and self defense. If they leave my domicile- I could give a rats butt if they're bleeding out or not. I may rack BB in there if that's what I got. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Liability is not an issue if there's forced entry- at least not in my state.

I'm pretty sure I've used my shotgun more times than most on this board. I've killed a lot of game with it. #4 in the breadbasket is pretty heady stuff. BB is even more of a wallop. I keep 00 buck in the mag- but not first. Why? Just to say I've got man-juice? Who cares!

It sounds like people are expecting zombies at their doors, criminey.

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Old 07-04-2015, 06:39 AM
 
Location: NWA/SWMO
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Because #4 at close range is a good round for control and self defense. If they leave my domicile- I could give a rats butt if they're bleeding out or not. I may rack BB in there if that's what I got. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Liability is not an issue if there's forced entry- at least not in my state.

I'm pretty sure I've used my shotgun more times than most on this board. I've killed a lot of game with it. #4 in the breadbasket is pretty heady stuff. BB is even more of a wallop. I keep 00 buck in the mag- but not first. Why? Just to say I've got man-juice? Who cares!

It sounds like people are expecting zombies at their doors, criminey.
Do you feel like #4 bird shot is a better fight stopper than the larger buckshot or slugs?
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Old 07-04-2015, 09:37 AM
Status: "Gone hunting until December!" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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Do you feel like #4 bird shot is a better fight stopper than the larger buckshot or slugs?
Do you feel a .44mag is a better fight stopper than a .22lr?


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