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Old 03-01-2018, 08:25 PM
 
Location: WA
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VeeGer, I have to agree with point about good enough. The knife industry has to renew people's incentive to purchase knives when they don't really need to add to their collection. So they market the latest metallurgic creations to knife nuts like me and we buy into it.

I have since sold off my small collection of ZDP-189, S110V, S30V, VG-10, 440C and 8Cr13MoV blades. 8Cr13MoV is the only steel that could not hold an edge to save its life. Maybe it has to do with quality control but I don't trust any steel with 8Cr13MoV etched on it.

After that, you're pretty much paying for cool factor. I would pay for another ZDP-189 knife. High end steel knives from certain makers have a strong secondary market, so if you don't think it's worth the extra cost you can always sell it for a small loss or break even in a couple years.
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Old 03-02-2018, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Texas
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There is one thing you need to know. The type of steel makes a difference but the real important thing for steel is the heat temperament. If it's not done right then not any steel are worth a damn.

By the way, 8Cr13MoV is 1055 steel. They are mostly made for swords like my Cold Steel Heavy Duty sword cane. It keeps an edge pretty good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhKM...ature=youtu.be
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Old 03-02-2018, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Making a folder type pocket knife is a little harder especially if it's a lockback. The fitting of the lock means you'll be taking it apart and putting it back together a few times. I hone mine to absolute, like glass, perfection. There's no rattle, nothing loose and it's slick. I like to use copper sheaves between the blade and frame too so the blade comes out smooth and doesn't bind. Every knife I make I have the steel cryogenically treated to compact the molecules in the steel without making the steel brittle. Cryo is the only to fly if you intend to actually use the knife. It will stay sharper a lot longer. Here's the latest one:


If you've ever considered making knives, remember, even if you screw it up, you still have a knife. The first few I made from old files were pretty crud but I still have them in my shop and they work just like a thousand dollar knife. Lots of tutorials on the internet how to manage the steel so you don't make it too soft or brittle.
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Old 03-02-2018, 05:22 PM
 
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Very interesting steel on your knife, ATS-34. Sounds wicked.
Not at all schooled on metal grades, but have had no problems keeping an edge on it, VeeGer.
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Old 03-02-2018, 05:35 PM
 
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I'm practical.. Leatherman Wave (the original) for 17 years now. And I mean the Same one, though I did send it in for a replacement pliers once. Not the "best" steel, but it sharpens well enough for my needs (and better than 99% of the knives others have on them).

I'm another Fenix (PD22) fan aswell, that's been my only light for about 6 years.
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Old 03-04-2018, 12:15 PM
Status: "Gone hunting until December!" (set 25 days ago)
 
Location: Lost in Montana *recalculating*...
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I'm practical.. Leatherman Wave (the original) for 17 years now. And I mean the Same one, though I did send it in for a replacement pliers once. Not the "best" steel, but it sharpens well enough for my needs (and better than 99% of the knives others have on them).

I'm another Fenix (PD22) fan aswell, that's been my only light for about 6 years.
Yeah I had an older wave too. Maybe 10years. I lost it when I was ice fishing in my hut. Was sitting in my chair- the kind with a little side table that folds out, and one of my poles got a huge tanker trout on it, and as I jumped out of the chair to grab the pole I bumped the chair and my knife flew off and slid down the 2nd ice hole in my shack, lol.

Kinda watched it slow-mo too. 60ft down to the bottom.

And I lost the fish too, lol.
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Old 03-11-2018, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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VeeGer, I have to agree with point about good enough. The knife industry has to renew people's incentive to purchase knives when they don't really need to add to their collection. So they market the latest metallurgic creations to knife nuts like me and we buy into it.

I have since sold off my small collection of ZDP-189, S110V, S30V, VG-10, 440C and 8Cr13MoV blades. 8Cr13MoV is the only steel that could not hold an edge to save its life. Maybe it has to do with quality control but I don't trust any steel with 8Cr13MoV etched on it.

After that, you're pretty much paying for cool factor. I would pay for another ZDP-189 knife. High end steel knives from certain makers have a strong secondary market, so if you don't think it's worth the extra cost you can always sell it for a small loss or break even in a couple years.
another vote for zdp-189. Pre-internet, one of my hobbies was to clip articles out of newspapers and file them for future reference. Paper is made with clay binders, and is actually rough on a blade edge. Often I would cut two or 3 sides of an article, and then the blade would just start tearing the paper instead of cutting it. ZDP did not do that. I had a small William Henry w/ ZDP blade just for clipping articles.
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I bumped the chair and my knife flew off and slid down the 2nd ice hole in my shack, lol.

Kinda watched it slow-mo too. 60ft down to the bottom.

And I lost the fish too, lol.
Need I guess which hurt more?
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:43 PM
 
Location: NNJ
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These 4 generally find its way as my EDC.....

https://bucknbearknives.com/army-linerlock-folder.html

https://kershaw.kaiusaltd.com/knives/knife/select-fire

https://kershaw.kaiusaltd.com/knives/knife/leek

https://www.leatherman.com/juice-s2-...-tools#start=1
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Old 03-18-2018, 09:43 AM
 
Location: USA
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8Cr13MoV is the only steel that could not hold an edge to save its life. Maybe it has to do with quality control but I don't trust any steel with 8Cr13MoV etched on it.
A lot of Chinese knives use that steel because it is CHEAP. On a whim I bought a Chinese made Kershaw
Injection 3.5. I figured for $13.99 on sale, I couldn't pass it up. It is a high quality knife surprisingly. I haven't cut anything with it yet though. I will be interesting to see how the 8Cr13MoV holds an edge. In general Kershaw doesn't sell crap.
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