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Old 03-22-2018, 07:27 PM
 
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My favorite .380 is the Beretta 85FS. I also have the .22LR version which is the 87BB. Expensive, but worth it. I much prefer them over the Walther PP. The Sig 230/232 is a good gun too.
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Old 03-22-2018, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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My favorite .380 is the Beretta 85FS. I also have the .22LR version which is the 87BB. Expensive, but worth it. I much prefer them over the Walther PP. The Sig 230/232 is a good gun too.
According to what I have read (Ed Harris), the 230 is considerably better than the 232 (which has powder-metal or sintered parts). (That's not to say that sintered parts are necessarily junk).

The Berettas are certainly fine guns too. Not cheap, but you get what you pay for. They are on the big side for .380s, which has an upside of the gun not being so critical of a slightly limp grip and still cycling, the smallest guns in a particular caliber tend to "demand" a very firm hold (and that on a small grip) or they may not cycle. Of course the bigger the gat, the harder to conceal properly.
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Old 03-22-2018, 07:46 PM
 
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You know what they say about a .380, right?

“If you shoot me with your .380, and I find out about it, I’m going to be pi$$ed!”

Personally, I much prefer a snubbie over these tiny semi-auto mouse guns..
I wouldn't want to stand in frot of any gun, eve including a .22lr.

A .380 might not be ideal but it can be used defensively. If that's the caliber you can handle or fits the size gun you will carry and have on you, then it's a beck of a lot better than not having a gun on you.
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Old 03-22-2018, 09:01 PM
 
Location: Florida & Cebu, Philippines
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Too many people seem to forget that it is not a level headed sober person when dealing with many criminals, many will be hyped up, that is when the larger bullet works best. Sure shoot one of us with even a 22 and we likely would hurt badly and maybe even go down, shoot a person on drugs with even a shotgun and they may not go down, one of my friends shot a perp with his 12ga and the guy still ran away one block before dying and part of the time the perp was running he was shooting back with his 25acp, luckily he did not hit anyone with it.
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Old 03-23-2018, 03:17 PM
 
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My favorite .380 is the Beretta 85FS. I also have the .22LR version which is the 87BB. Expensive, but worth it. I much prefer them over the Walther PP. The Sig 230/232 is a good gun too.
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According to what I have read (Ed Harris), the 230 is considerably better than the 232 (which has powder-metal or sintered parts). (That's not to say that sintered parts are necessarily junk).
Back in '96 I was going to buy the James Bond's gun, Walther PPK in 380, but was talked out of that one and bought the Sig P-230 instead. I did not regret it as the PPK has a horrible trigger. The P230 is a beautiful piece made with German engineering quality and weighs only 18.5 oz.


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Old 03-23-2018, 03:46 PM
 
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For the last 10 years I had been in a non-stop pursuit of the "perfect ccw" for ME. Repeat, ME...to that end, I had/have gone through the litany of ccw 9's. To date, I own, and in no particular order, the Ruger LC9S, SW 442 (had this one since 95'), SW shield in both 9mm and .45 (.45 is awesome), Browning Hi=Power (accurate but, too big), .45 Springfield A1 (ugly bobbed hammer), Kel-Tec PF9 (more good things to say about this than most others), Sprinfield XD in 9mm and .40, model 64 used just because I got a great deal on it, SW SD's gen 1 and gen 2 (black tennifer with front night site, limited production), assortment of glocks, FNS 9....Walther 9 PPS, and so on and so on.....


Found out, that all were simply too big to adequately CC.....just too big.....


Soooooo, I started into acquiring .380's.......Glock 42, Taurus (yes, Taurus TCP 738), Bersa.....


End result? The Taurus TCP 738 is THE most underrated gun out there....this thing is a modified lock breach, easy on recoil (less than the Ruger LCP I), accurate to 10 yds, locks to the rear on the last round (something the LCP II has finally), smooooth consistent trigger (better than the LCP's), slimmmmmmmmmmmmmm, handles all types of ammo but, I just put 95grainers in it for penetration, and is ridiculously concealable.....


Glock 42, it's about THE perfect size....slim.....not too big, not too small, lays against the body well in appendix and right hip carry, accurate....incredibly perfect size for most.....not as concealable but, more than enough in MOST situations.....


Bersa? It's a good gun. [mod cut] It's accurate, dependable but, it's as big or bigger than my Kel-Tec PF9....answer? PF-9 is better for cc but, it packs a wallop of recoil akin to snubbies (read: 442). very accurate to 15 yards, drift adjustable rear...they even throw in the allen wrench.....slim enough, reliable enough...got the stainless model and it polishes up pretty well, I use a thin grease coating on the inner rails of this and the TCP and NEITHER have failed in rapid fire.....


Bottom line? after f'in around with about 18 handguns, 3 are perfect for ME to carry.....the PF-9, the Taurus TCP and the Glock 42. For ME they are the best blend of all worlds....I take impeccable care of them and I am confident I can rely on any of them should the need arise....light, dependable and accurate enough to put almost anyone down.....


Shield? Yeah, they are nice, just a tad heavier and bigger...better in the winter.....hi-power carries well too but, too long.....the glock 23 and 22 are nice but, too big.....SD and XD's are the same...too big....442 is nice and concealable but, not accurate past 5 yards in a hurry.

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Old 04-18-2018, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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Well, I ended up with a deal on a Beretta Cheetah, have not fired it yet, but it is a very nicely made pistol, and as I said before, it's on the big side for a .380, with all the advantages and disadvantages that brings. It was "used" in that I didn't get a factory box with it, but I got it for $125 less than a brand new one sitting right next to it in the case, and like that "used" CZ .22 rifle I picked up at the same shop, I can't find a scratch on it. Came with an extra magazine, and a plastic carry case, including a "California compliant" lock that I have not messed with.

Like buying a car with 50 miles on it, I guess.

You can get some more modern ammo anymore for the .380. Hornady Critical Defense, Federal Hi Shok, etc. Of course this does beg the question to if you really want a fragile hollow point bullet in this round. If your assailant is wearing just a t-shirt, probably so. In the middle of winter in Wisconsin, probably not.
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Old 04-18-2018, 02:40 PM
 
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Well, I ended up with a deal on a Beretta Cheetah, have not fired it yet, but it is a very nicely made pistol, and as I said before, it's on the big side for a .380, with all the advantages and disadvantages that brings.
I love my Cheetah, which is the single stack, slimmer 85FS. They are quality pistols for sure. You will love it. They carry pretty easily. I imagine you got the double stack 84FS, which is a little wider in the grip, but not much. Great choice! I carry Hornady Critical Defense in mine.
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Old 04-19-2018, 09:32 AM
 
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I was once part of the "nothing smaller than a 9mm" camp but with recent improvements in effectiveness of 380's I felt it had sufficient stopping power. I personally carry a LC9S most days. My significant other thinks it recoil is a bit much so when it came time to get her a carry piece we opted for the LC380.

She loves it, shoots it well and carries it everywhere, everyday which is the reason we bought it.
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Old 04-19-2018, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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I love my Cheetah, which is the single stack, slimmer 85FS. They are quality pistols for sure. You will love it. They carry pretty easily. I imagine you got the double stack 84FS, which is a little wider in the grip, but not much. Great choice! I carry Hornady Critical Defense in mine.
The one I just bought is the 85FS. I will be on the lookout for the similar .22 LR chambered gat.

About the only things I am not too pleased with on the Cheetah - the magazine safety, and the fact that applying the safety with the hammer back drops the hammer, so "Condition 1" carry is not possible.

Beretta being Beretta, I imagine that the magazine safety is as reliable as any mechanical device can be (although, not being an idiot, it's just one more thing I don't need that could in principle go wrong) so I guess I can live with it.

The DA and SA trigger pulls, right out of the box, are decent. Not Colt Gold Cup level of crispness, but better than most DA pistols I have tried.

Anyway for the price paid, I am satisfied with it, and look forward to doing some shooting. I need to cast some bullets or maybe break down and buy some, so as to have some good long plinking sessions, to get really familiar with this and the 9mm LCR I bought awhile back.
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