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Thanks everyone. I didn't know magazine failures were so common.
They're not so common.
Magazine mistreatment is rather common among combat pistolcraft enthusiasts because they're always dropping magazines into gravel, dirt, mud, et cetera.
But those folk ought to know to keep their sporting magazines separate from their EDC magazines.
And there are the extra-cheap and non-OEM magazines that are shoddily made, as well as extreme designs such as extra-long extra-capacity magazines...you don't want to put those in your EDC pistol, either.
But the OEM and better-made 3rd party magazines of decent guns will either show a clear manufacturing fault when you first use them (and that won't be often at all) or else they'll still be working when your grandchildren are dead of old age. There's no reason for a magazine that starts out with decent quality construction and doesn't suffer mistreatment--gets a little exercise and kept reasonably clean--ever to malfunction.
There are hundred-year-old magazines still working just fine.
Never carry an extra. The whole purpose of a CCW is to allow you to escape a deadly situation. Not to stand there and trade shots with someone. Nor take down a gang of Mexican smugglers.
Myself, I generally carry a revolver these days. When I carry an auto, I carry the gun on my right and two mags on my left. Sometimes I carry an extra magazine, more often not, mostly depending on what will fit in a pocket, or whether I desire to carry some different ammo. Obviously, with three magazines standard, whether I carry an extra one is probably not critical.
Never carry an extra. The whole purpose of a CCW is to allow you to escape a deadly situation. Not to stand there and trade shots with someone. Nor take down a gang of Mexican smugglers.
Yup, I probably wouldn’t be able to fire off all 8 rounds anyway, as I’d be hustling my butt out of harm’s way ASAP.
Magazine mistreatment is rather common among combat pistolcraft enthusiasts because they're always dropping magazines into gravel, dirt, mud, et cetera.
But those folk ought to know to keep their sporting magazines separate from their EDC magazines.
And there are the extra-cheap and non-OEM magazines that are shoddily made, as well as extreme designs such as extra-long extra-capacity magazines...you don't want to put those in your EDC pistol, either.
But the OEM and better-made 3rd party magazines of decent guns will either show a clear manufacturing fault when you first use them (and that won't be often at all) or else they'll still be working when your grandchildren are dead of old age. There's no reason for a magazine that starts out with decent quality construction and doesn't suffer mistreatment--gets a little exercise and kept reasonably clean--ever to malfunction.
There are hundred-year-old magazines still working just fine.
I agree they aren't, but I must say the only thing that has ever given a little trouble on my rather special 1911 Commander is one of Luke's magazines. It temporarily hung up, once. Why: sat for six months loaded, which isn't a great idea. I spray a bit of gun lube on all of them from time to time.
Classes I've attended, I've seen mags break, and I mean into three pieces no more or less, when they hit the ground during spead-reload drills. I've had that happen at least once. They're sturdy but stuff happens. In fact I put mine back together, as I recall, and it was great since (Springfield Armory, years ago).
So, yes: that is what you call "combat pistol-craft," the type I (was, am, will-be) taught until further notice by InSights and Thunder Ranch, in particular. And yes, those drills often have weak hand sweeping mags OUT in speed reloads if that sucker won't drop. Plop!...on the cement it goes. No wonder they break.
Separate mags, EDC from class? Meh, I'll challenge you on that one. I have a couple spares for my HK, and four or five total for my 1911. That's it. I'm way-careful about what mags I purchase, too.
Guns also break, as (we) know, in simple (tap/rack) to complicated (double-feed stovepipe) ways. When the rounds must be extracted from the chamber via an object down the barrel (ram of some kind), that's a "serious" malfunction. (At a class once, I believe the operator/student solved that after the 2nd or 3rd time by putting the pistol down and picking up something that worked instead).
To quoted last point: yes, some mags are bad from Day 1. Had that in an AR mag once, and threw it away after a troublesome day. As alluded-to above, I've seen it in others' pistol mags, or those imbeciles who go cheap on the magazines, which seems like a deadly error to me just to save a few bucks.
I agree they aren't, but I must say the only thing that has ever given a little trouble on my rather special 1911 Commander is one of Luke's magazines. It temporarily hung up, once. Why: sat for six months loaded, which isn't a great idea. I spray a bit of gun lube on all of them from time to time.
Classes I've attended, I've seen mags break, and I mean into three pieces no more or less, when they hit the ground during spead-reload drills. I've had that happen at least once. They're sturdy but stuff happens. In fact I put mine back together, as I recall, and it was great since (Springfield Armory, years ago).
So, yes: that is what you call "combat pistol-craft," the type I (was, am, will-be) taught until further notice by InSights and Thunder Ranch, in particular. And yes, those drills often have weak hand sweeping mags OUT in speed reloads if that sucker won't drop. Plop!...on the cement it goes. No wonder they break.
Separate mags, EDC from class? Meh, I'll challenge you on that one. I have a couple spares for my HK, and four or five total for my 1911. That's it. I'm way-careful about what mags I purchase, too.
Guns also break, as (we) know, in simple (tap/rack) to complicated (double-feed stovepipe) ways. When the rounds must be extracted from the chamber via an object down the barrel (ram of some kind), that's a "serious" malfunction. (At a class once, I believe the operator/student solved that after the 2nd or 3rd time by putting the pistol down and picking up something that worked instead).
To quoted last point: yes, some mags are bad from Day 1. Had that in an AR mag once, and threw it away after a troublesome day. As alluded-to above, I've seen it in others' pistol mags, or those imbeciles who go cheap on the magazines, which seems like a deadly error to me just to save a few bucks.
I owned a 1911 and Combat Commander back in the 80s. That vintage of gun is rather finicky about the shape of the magazine lips to the extent that it could be slightly different from gun to gun, particularly if the gun itself has had any accuratizing work done.
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