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Old 02-10-2009, 06:25 AM
 
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I want to get a gun (once I get the permit), but fear having one in the house with the kids. I know it's up to me to make sure it stays in a safe place, but still, doubts arise from time to time.


Educate them about the gun at the house. If they're old enough train them at a gun range so they can get their curiosity resolved. Once they fire it, feel the power, know the danger - it will make them respect the potential danger.
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Old 02-10-2009, 07:45 AM
 
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Are hollow points legal? I remember a dozen years ago in NY, they said they were illegal. I remember them mentioning it on the news, after a NYPD officer got shot by some drug dealer in the Bronx by a hollow point loaded gun. Is it something legal in certain states and not others? All this time, I thought they were outlawed. I want to get a gun (once I get the permit), but fear having one in the house with the kids. I know it's up to me to make sure it stays in a safe place, but still, doubts arise from time to time.
Probably are up there, they're legal for self defense.
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Old 02-10-2009, 08:05 AM
 
Location: 30080
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Question; when you say 36 reasons, are you talking about the clip having 36 bullets?
Do handgun clips have that many bullets? I'm sorry if I sound ignorant about the matter.
1)Was the gun new by the way?

2)What's your say in buying used guns?

3)Do you think it's safe and advisable? I have some reservations about buying used guns, due to the fact that they may have been used in a crime at another time. Please pardon the ignorance guys. I'm learning as I go.


Yes I bought the gun new at s gun show. Its always cheaper to get them from there than a store. Yes the clip holds 35 rounds and I keep one in the chamber. Its not s standard clip but you can get them at the show for 20 dollars.

Never ever EVER buy a hand gun from anyone off the street no matter how well you know them. Now if you do want to buy one from someone the best procedure is to go to a authorized dealer with the person and the gun and still have it changed into your possession legally. This way if anything were to come up you have proof you bought it through the proper procedures.

Also there is nothing wrong with buying s used gun as long as Its in good condition. One thing I always tell first timers is when it comes to life protection do not take the cheap route. Avoid brands like Hi Point, Malakov, and some folks like Taurus but i don't like them either. Cheap guns will jam on you in a heartbeat and that's the last thing you want to happen if you need to use it. Avoid cobra also.

Good brands are Ruger, Beretta, Glock, smith & wesson or even spring field. They will be in the $300-600 range but again its worth it.

I bought my AR-15 used and it hasn't jammed on me once. I wouldn't lead you wrong... trust me i've owned probably every gun you can think of. Here is my current collection.. there are a few i have anda few i had to sell when i fell on hard times.


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Old 02-10-2009, 09:18 AM
 
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This is an interesting thread but has gone off topic from the Original Post having to do with Atlanta. Since this is turning into a weapons thread I am going to move it to the appropriate forum so that the posting can continue.

Thanks for understanding.
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Old 02-11-2009, 05:24 AM
 
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A legit question and a legit safety concern:

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Are hollow points legal? I remember a dozen years ago in NY, they said they were illegal. I remember them mentioning it on the news, after a NYPD officer got shot by some drug dealer in the Bronx by a hollow point loaded gun. Is it something legal in certain states and not others? All this time, I thought they were outlawed. I want to get a gun (once I get the permit), but fear having one in the house with the kids. I know it's up to me to make sure it stays in a safe place, but still, doubts arise from time to time.
There are no federal prohibitions against hollow point ammunition. New Jersey is one state that prohibits HP ammo , at least for citizens' handguns. A few cities may have a prohibition. It makes no sense at all.
The NYPD was one of the very last law enforcement organizations to switch to HP duty pistol ammo. It took about 2 dozen pass-through hits over a period of about 3 years to convince the brass. Most of the victims were police , a few were innocent citizens , at least one was a felon.

One non-HP ammunition option is Corbon Powerball.

The classic short book on kids/gun safety is: " Gun-proof your Children"
by Massad Ayoob.
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Mr. Ayoob's books and videos are among the best resources that are available to armed citizens. He is generally accepted to be the leading expert on the ethical and legal issues around the legit use of lethal force.
No (N-o) graduate of his school has ever been convicted of an unlawful shooting. Of course , not everybody gets in , & some don't graduate.

Hope this helps.
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Old 02-11-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Atlanta,GA
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Thanks for all the information guys. I am going to check the links.

Brownhornet, thanks. I did not want to buy a used gun period. I was a bit curious about it, and you answered my questions. A good friend of mine who happens to be a detective also mentioned going to see which gun feels good in my hand/which I feel more comfortable with or that I like before making up my mind.
By the way, that's quite a collection you have there. I assume you use the machine guns at the range too. I never knew you could use them at a range either. I went with my friend years ago to a gun range. Then I was not into guns, and the idea of ever owning one never crossed my mind, so I didn't enjoy the experience. Now, It's a different thing altogether.
Does owning a gun automatically makes you a member of the NRA? Or are the two separate entities? (owning a concealed weapon permit and NRA membership?)
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Old 02-13-2009, 09:17 AM
 
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CC'er here, never leave the house unarmed.
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Old 02-14-2009, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Bushnell, Florida
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Educate them about the gun at the house. If they're old enough train them at a gun range so they can get their curiosity resolved. Once they fire it, feel the power, know the danger - it will make them respect the potential danger.

The NRA, National Rifle Association, has one of the best weapon safety courses. That would be way of ensuring that your children are properly educated in what a gun is and what not to do with it.

With the course, they also show how to properly handle a weapon during hunting trips, on a shooting range ect. The best defense, or prevention is education.
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:02 PM
 
Location: MS
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I assume you use the machine guns at the range too. I never knew you could use them at a range either.
Those are not fully automatic 'machine guns'. The 2 weapons (1 rifle and 1 pistol) on the top of the picture are both semi-automatic in a .223 caliber. They are no more powerful than your standard hunting rifle. In fact my niece who is in the 4th grade shoot the same ammunition when she hunts with her dad. The rifle at the bottom is an AK-47. Yes, you see those on TV in fully automatic mode but the ones available over here are semi-automatic. The ammunition again is no more powerful than the .30-30 round which has been around since the late 1800's.

Media and politians will have you think that 'machine guns' are all over the street and they need to be banned. There hasn't been a fully automatic weapon built for civilian use since the early '80's. What few that are in existance are still around. You have to go through an extensive ATF background check and pay thousands of dollars for a license. Then the weapons are $10,000 and up because of their rarity. It's a rich man's collector's item. The anti-gunners want to ban semi-automatic guns just because they look evil.

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Does owning a gun automatically makes you a member of the NRA? Or are the two separate entities? (owning a concealed weapon permit and NRA membership?)
No. The NRA is a group based in northern Virginia that defends our 2nd ammendment rights. Some gun owners like their tactic and are members. Others don't and have nothing to do with them.

Depending on where you live licenses and permits are optional as well. It is perfectly legal to put my 9mm on my hip in a holster and go out in public. As long as I don't go on property owned by the .gov (schools, city, county, state or fed buildings) I am still in the law. I see people 'packing heat' in the open at sporting goods stores all of the time. I am also perfectly legal in owning 20+ pistols and a dozen long guns without a single license. If I want to go in public with a pistol hidden on my person then I need a concealed permit which I am going to get on March 1 (my next day off work).

Gun ownership rules do vary by state and city so read up on what you can and can't own. Proper training is a must. I have had no professional training but I have been shooting since I was in the 2nd grade so I have the safety basics down. If you get the Outdoor Channel, there are a few shows about shooting and safety that I recommend. The Best Defense is a great show. They cover gun safety and shooting techniques but it is more than that. The last few episodes have been on situational awareness and how not to get in a confrontation. If you do get in one how to diffuse it without escalation. For guys this is a big problem. Ego gets the best of us and we have our pride.

-Robert
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Old 02-18-2009, 12:09 AM
 
Location: Atlanta,GA
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Thanks Robert.

That was some great information. I'm sorry my (many) questions seem to be adding up. I have a few more questions for you guys, if you dont mind . What are the laws about transferring a concealed weapon and permit from Florida to GA? If I buy a gun here and move to GA, what would the procedures be? Do I ship it to GA before moving or do I take it a gun store to have them ship it to my new address in GA?

Now, will my Florida permit transfer over to GA, or do I have to go through the same process of background checks again, and apply for a new GA permit? Again, thanks a million guys. I'm learning as I go. I've learned a great deal from this thread alone.

Has anyone done this before?
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