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Tin Knocker, some how you have mis-read. She is in Cal, and the person she wants to have the guns lives in Pa..
Taking these UN-LOADED to a FFL and having them shipped to a Pa FFL might cost her 25 bucks at the FFL as fee the shipping will be what ever the weight is on UPS trucks, maybe 30 bucks I guess, and the PA FFL will want a fee of maybe 25 bucks too. Not a bad hassel.
These belong to her since they are family items. A probate court order might be needed, but I doubt it.
You sure? Heres a copy of the initial post, sounds to me like the guns are already in PA,
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I have 3 handguns that were my brother's and dad's and they both passed away. I believe, but not 100% sure they are a .22, .44 or .45, and a 357. They are locked in a fire proof lock-box and I don't know where they key is. I believe the guns were all bought no more than 15 years ago. Does anyone know how much those type of guns listed above are worth? I have a friend who is into sporting clays and hunting (although, I don't think those are hunting guns HOPEFULLY as I hate hunting). If they're not worth much I might just give them to her. Can that be done? The guns and my friend are in the state of Pennsylvania.
At any rate I believe its legal for a person to ship to an FFL across the country, people do it all the time for repairs. If you want to buy a handgun in another state, it must be shipped to an FFL in your state to handle the transfer, but I dont think one is needed on both ends. Just happens that most people would be buying an out of state gun from a FFL holding shop so they go FFL to FFL. Also many FFLs wont accept a gun from a private party so finding one to have it sent to might be troublesome if a person doesn't already have one they deal with.
That said I'd keep them anyway, both for the memories & because I dont tend to let guns get away from me.
To me it sounds like a great excuse for her to get involved in the shooting sports. Maybe learn a little about hunting & how much its done for wildlife & open space in this country too.
Tin Knocker, I don't know. It says in her location Cali. Seems to me the red is a typo on her part, but I really don't know. Women confuse the hell out of me as it is. Maybe her friend and the guns are in PA, and she is in Cali, and has power over the guns anyway?????
Most of my entire point is don't be stupid and go to club fed... Now I have no idea how much fun club fed might be, but I am pretty sure i wouldn't want to find out, and neither would any sane person.
I do agree that she should look into shooting, my wife does, and one sister a doctor does. I know gals a primitive doin's that do as well, and with cap locks and flinters.
I am pretty sure for hand guns you need a FFL to ship to another FFL in another state where ther receiving person must pass NICS. Some FFL's will do the service for free, but as of late I don't know any. They must keep the books which takes time. So far as I know, working as a clerk for a FFL, I had to log guns in and log them back out, as they came. it has been 4 years since i did that and I know some of the paper work changed, so I could be right up full of beans.
If the owner was moving that would be different, and a good way to pack these would be apart locked in a case, so the guns are parts at that point and can't be used in theory, some wild a$$ point of law.
You are aware it is us civies that are supposed to protect the police right?
Your post says LA CA, but the guns are in Pennsylvania, as long as you do not bring them into CA you should have a easier time of selling and transfer.
What's so special about Ca? Are there special rules for guns that would prohibit a person from bringing them in with the rest of your belongings?
What's so special about Ca? Are there special rules for guns that would prohibit a person from bringing them in with the rest of your belongings?
Well I'll just keep it short.. my opinions of that state can get quit carried away... let's just say they aren't so open about gun ownership as some of the other states.
What's so special about Ca? Are there special rules for guns that would prohibit a person from bringing them in with the rest of your belongings?
YES!!!! Cal has very stringent laws on what guns can be owned. It would be easy to break a law in Cal bringing in a gun you owned legally in most any other state.
Many new guns will not pass Cal state laws, and can not be offered for sale in Cal.
Tin Knocker, I don't know. It says in her location Cali. Seems to me the red is a typo on her part, but I really don't know. Women confuse the hell out of me as it is. Maybe her friend and the guns are in PA, and she is in Cali, and has power over the guns anyway?????
Most of my entire point is don't be stupid and go to club fed... Now I have no idea how much fun club fed might be, but I am pretty sure i wouldn't want to find out, and neither would any sane person.
I do agree that she should look into shooting, my wife does, and one sister a doctor does. I know gals a primitive doin's that do as well, and with cap locks and flinters.
I am pretty sure for hand guns you need a FFL to ship to another FFL in another state where ther receiving person must pass NICS. Some FFL's will do the service for free, but as of late I don't know any. They must keep the books which takes time. So far as I know, working as a clerk for a FFL, I had to log guns in and log them back out, as they came. it has been 4 years since i did that and I know some of the paper work changed, so I could be right up full of beans.
If the owner was moving that would be different, and a good way to pack these would be apart locked in a case, so the guns are parts at that point and can't be used in theory, some wild a$$ point of law.
You are aware it is us civies that are supposed to protect the police right?
I agree its confusing. I think the reason its ok to ship to an FFL is they are doint the transfer. Shipping thru an FFL the shipper wouldn't do anything except drop it at UPS or Fed Ex, even if they logged it in no change in ownership would be going on at that point. But I could certainly be wrong and nobody should hold anything we say here as gospel. I'd contact the BATF & just ask.
the variations in state laws is very frustrating, especially in cases like this. Its IMO simply stupid that a person cannot just go get their parents stuff & bring it home or sell how they see fit.
Transporting guns across states can be tricky but as you said, unloaded, locked & if possible disassembled. Its overkill acording to fereral law but better safe than sorry.
Tim Knocker, Like you I don't know the facts so clearly. I was once a gun store clerk, and printed to be able to do NICS.
Then there is a fedral Law, that says if you are legal with your guns where you are and you travel and will be legal with your guns where you end up, you can travel with your guns.
But that isn't shipping, you have your guns. Mass, NY Cali and other states be damnned.
I attend shoots in other states besides NH where I live, land locked behind Mass, NY and Canada. Think about this location an instant, and you will see why I am angered by Mass and NY. They have no legal right to stop me from legal travel with a loaded hand gun for that matter. I am not subject to their laws to simply pass thru.
A matter of work for me can be driving with no notice, and i can be between paces and armed, and be called to go to Mass. There is not time to drop off a fire arm somewhere, and why would i want to in the first place?
Why I carry is because the so called system is a joke. Once in need i called the cops for assistance, and they told me they are not my personal body guards. Well that ended baddly for 1 bad guy. System 0, Mac 1.
Another time I lost my father in law and his 2nd wife, still a women my wife loved to some creeps with a knife. 2 eldery dead system 0, 1 pissed off Mac..
For what ever is left of my life there is no way i am going any place, not even the shower un-armed. 2 days ago I was charged by a 2 year old BEAR, while walking in the drive way. Of course the bear had no idea this drive way is where I am legal.
So I think this woman can go anywhere with her guns perhaps a bit more secured than I might, but shipping so far as i know is still a matter of FFL to FFL, even if i were to ship my own guns to me in another state, if i were to move.
Could you send me a pm about your handle? I have been known to make Trade Silver, circa 1761-1828, providing you knock tin..
Its a small world.
I live in CT but have property & a camp up in NH. I drive with guns regularly thru Mass and am landlocked by Mass & NYS too.
Heres a clip right from the BATFE and a link to the page. I didn't find anything pertaining directly to handguns. I'v been told they must go FFL to FFL as well as being told differently. I know long arms can go from a private party to an FFL and this seems to say pistols can too, I'd still call first though. ATF Online - Publications - Firearms
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(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a fire-
arm by common or contract car-
rier?
A nonlicensee may ship a firearm
by a common or contract carrier to a
resident of his or her own State or to
a licensee in any State. A common or
contract carrier must be used to ship
a handgun. In addition, Federal law
requires that the carrier be notified
that the shipment contains a firearm
and prohibits common or contract
carriers from requiring or causing any
label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.
I'm a coppersmith by trade but work with other metals a little. Never did anything with silver though.
In real life are your initials TB? Do you know what the Orginal Nor'Eastern is?
I'l look at the link. Yeah Ct is as locked too, no way outta there either.
I'd rather be trapped in NH though.
Whats the Original Nor'Eastern?
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