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Unread 02-01-2011, 08:04 AM
 
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You know, in some way I agree with you.
I'm from NYC/NJ where gun carry is non existent, yet crime is through th roof.
Funny, we're from the same area, yet I see no crime through the roof there, unless you want to go to some place like Newark or Irvington, where it's contained to the city itself for the most part.

I'm not sure where your getting your stats from, either. According to the CDC, the Northeast has the lowest gun related death rate in the country. The south (which includes VA) has the highest.
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Unread 02-01-2011, 08:35 AM
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Funny, we're from the same area, yet I see no crime through the roof there, unless you want to go to some place like Newark or Irvington, where it's contained to the city itself for the most part.

I'm not sure where your getting your stats from, either. According to the CDC, the Northeast has the lowest gun related death rate in the country. The south (which includes VA) has the highest.
Key word "death rate"
You don't have to die to be a victim of a violent attack.

In any case, like I said, it's a personal choice whether to carry or not.
I do think many states need to put in some additional gun controls & qualifications, but that's for another thread.

Like a spare tire in the trunk, you have one & hopefully never need to take it out to use it.

Just be alert, be aware of your surroundings, and most of all be safe!
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Unread 02-01-2011, 09:40 AM
 
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Nothing is a guaranteed to prevent crime. Additionally, unless the gunpoint robbery turned bad, I would just give them what they want as it is only money. Now how would you feel if the armed robber (God forbid) not only wanted the money, but due to the circumstances, (time of day etc) decided they did not want to leave witnesses, or your wife or daughter looks goood!

Having a gun is an option, not a must use. It is a serious undertaking that requires a huge level of responsibility & training...and it is NOT for everyone.
You're right. Carrying a gun is a big responsibility. Probably more reposibility than I'm comfortable with. I'm all for people protecting themselves when in danger, and if my family was attacked in the way you described I'd most likely die trying to help them, but that's just a hypothetical. It doesn't make sense to me to carry a gun because of a hypothetical (and unlikely) circumstance that I cooked up in my head and scared myself.

I'm of the belief that visual deterrents and street smarts will get you out of trouble more often than not. A burglar sees the bars on our windows, the barbed wire in the back of our shop, and a sign that says "ADT", and decides it's too much trouble to break in. Problem solved, and I didn't have to hurt anyone. I know that walking around Huntersville at 1AM is not the smartest thing to do if I don't want to get mugged, so I don't do it. Keeping on a light that shines on my car at night makes breaking into it too risky. I try to stay aware of my surroundings, especially in new places. These are the types of things I'm comfortable with.

Nothing against you and others who wish to carry weapons. I just hope you are responsible enough because I fear that many are not. When I lived in California, I was in a rough area. I tried carrying a knife in my pocket since sometimes I had to be out late at night, and lots of people would be robbed then. I figured if a robber saw that I had a knife in my pocket, they'd leave me alone, but I just didn't feel right carrying a knife. I never would've used it, so it seemed pointless. Just my take, I guess.
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Unread 02-01-2011, 11:13 AM
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You're right. Carrying a gun is a big responsibility. Probably more responsibility than I'm comfortable with.

I figured if a robber saw that I had a knife in my pocket, they'd leave me alone, but I just didn't feel right carrying a knife. I never would've used it, so it seemed pointless. Just my take, I guess.
A man has to know his limitations, and I respect that. The fact that you know that you never would have used the knife is in itself the best reason not to carry a weapon, as it would probable just be used against you.

I mind my own business & try to live my life without confrontation. I have trained my children in martial arts so that they are able to defend themselves, but I have also tried to instill in them to maintain the strictest temperance.

The reason I legally carry concealed to ensure that people around me do not feel uneasy. Let's face it, there are a lot of "unstable" people, some may even carry. I don't need to add to anyone's stress levels. One day, I know I will have to stop carrying, just as I will have to one day stop driving...due to age, but I hope I have another 25 years or so left <LOL>

BTW on another note, I checked out you flicker site, are all those original photos? Are they digital or SLR film?
Nice work!

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Unread 02-01-2011, 03:42 PM
 
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A man has to know his limitations, and I respect that. The fact that you know that you never would have used the knife is in itself the best reason not to carry a weapon, as it would probable just be used against you.

I mind my own business & try to live my life without confrontation. I have trained my children in martial arts so that they are able to defend themselves, but I have also tried to instill in them to maintain the strictest temperance.

The reason I legally carry concealed to ensure that people around me do not feel uneasy. Let's face it, there are a lot of "unstable" people, some may even carry. I don't need to add to anyone's stress levels. One day, I know I will have to stop carrying, just as I will have to one day stop driving...due to age, but I hope I have another 25 years or so left <LOL>

BTW on another note, I checked out you flicker site, are all those original photos? Are they digital or SLR film?
Nice work!
Fair enough. I hope other people who carry weapons do what you do.

And thanks for checking out my stuff! Yeah, they're originals and mostly digital.
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Unread 02-01-2011, 06:08 PM
 
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Let's face it, there are a lot of "unstable" people, some may even carry.
Or be able to purchase semi-automatic weapons,

http://hamptonroads.tv/hrtv.php?id=58039371

Watch the whole video, especially how easy it is to obtain a gun.

I'm not saying to ban guns outright, but when it's this easy to purchase one then you know we have big problems.

Any murderer, rapist, kidnapper, psychopath or other nut can simply shell out some money and buy a gun.

That is insanity.

We need to put in STRICT gun control laws. LAW ABIDING, SANE citizens have nothing to worry about. I don't understand what people don't get about that, unless those that crow about gun control laws are in fact criminals themselves.

I can't imagine any sane, law abiding citizen is against laws that help keep guns away from murderers or child rapists.
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Unread 02-01-2011, 07:31 PM
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We need to put in STRICT gun control laws. LAW ABIDING, SANE citizens have nothing to worry about. I don't understand what people don't get about that, unless those that crow about gun control laws are in fact criminals themselves.

I can't imagine any sane, law abiding citizen is against laws that help keep guns away from murderers or child rapists.

The video would not load but regarding gun control...I agree 1000%
I frequent several firearms boards and it's ridiculous how these people feel that we should have less gun control. Once they start spewing God given 2nd amendment rights I know it's coming!

I feel all guns should be registered...not only by serial # but by ballistics. The gun radicals use the reasoning that when the gov't bans all gun they will use this info to remove them from you...I say so what. If having a gun becomes illegal & you use one, no matter how justified, you're going to prison. Like in NYC you can't legally own a handgun unless you are a cop!

Also background checks are only required to be done by dealers, private sales in Va. do not require checks to be done. That is INSANE! I feel all gun sales should be documented at a dealer who will do a background check on the buyer.

I can go on and on. I agree that we should have the right to own guns to protect themselves, but like cars they should be accounted for by registration& training. A law abiding gun owner should have NOTHING to hide, and the ones who are afraid of government intervention are the scary paranoid one that concern me!
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Unread 02-01-2011, 09:24 PM
 
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Like in NYC you can't legally own a handgun unless you are a cop!
That's not true, but I'm glad to see we agree on other points.

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Unread 02-02-2011, 05:57 AM
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That's not true, but I'm glad to see we agree on other points.

I meant carry a handgun I owned one in NJ.
Like in NJ to conceal carry a handgun with a permit is EXTREMELY difficult. You have to have a very good reason (which there doesn't seem to be one),be a retired cop, or a politician, or have very hefty connections to be able to get a conceal carry permit.
The kicker is if you apply for one, you WILL be denied then if you apply for one in a more lenient state, you risk eligibility because you were denied a permit in another state. It's a catch 22.

In any case, there seems to be no common sense to the gun control laws in the USA you go from the ridiculous to the sublime.
I feel a federal criteria with stringent qualifications would suffice.
Do you grant a permit to a wife beater? - no
Do you grant a permit to a DUI? - no
should those offenses be expunged after 5 years so you can apply? - hell no!

But some radical pro gun people would say that it's not fair. Hey remember the old Baretta TV show song? "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time"!

Anyway, it's good to finally talk to someone down hear who has a sense of reason on this subject.
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Unread 02-02-2011, 07:00 AM
 
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Here's an example of one state's laws (NJ) applied to a gun-toting gun radical.

High court denies man's gun arrest appeal
(AP) – Jan 18, 2011
WASHINGTON (AP) — Missing a plane connection cost Utah gun owner Greg Revell 10 days in jail after he was stranded in New Jersey with an unloaded firearm he had legally checked with his luggage in Salt Lake City.
Nevertheless, the Supreme Court without comment refused on Tuesday to let Revell sue Port Authority of New York and New Jersey police for arresting him on illegal possession of a firearm in New Jersey and for not returning his gun and ammunition to him for more than three years.
Revell was flying from Salt Lake City to Allentown, Pa., on March 31, 2005, with connections in Minneapolis and Newark, N.J. He had checked his Utah-licensed gun and ammunition with his luggage in Salt Lake City and asked airport officials to deliver them both with his luggage in Allentown.
But the flight from Minneapolis to Newark was late, so Revell missed his connection to Allentown. The airline wanted to bus its passengers to Allentown, but Revell realized that his luggage had not made it onto the bus and got off. After finding his luggage had been given a final destination of Newark by mistake, Revell missed the bus. He collected his luggage, including his gun and ammunition, and decided to wait in a nearby hotel with his stuff until the next flight in the morning.
When Revell tried to check in for the morning flight, he again informed the airline officials about his gun and ammunition to have them checked through to Allentown. He was reported to the TSA, and then arrested by Port Authority police for having a gun in New Jersey without a New Jersey license.
He spent 10 days in several different jails before posting bail. Police dropped the charges a few months later. But his gun and ammunition were not returned to him until 2008.
Revell said he should not have been arrested because federal law allows licensed gun owners to take their weapons through any state as long as they are unloaded and not readily accessible to people. He said it was not his fault the airline stranded him in New Jersey by making him miss his flight and routing his luggage to the wrong destination.
Prosecutors said it doesn't matter whose fault it was: Revell was arrested in New Jersey with a readily accessible gun in his possession without a New Jersey license.
The Associated Press: High court denies man's gun arrest appeal
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