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It always cracks me up how VA Beach always goes red in elections and the GOP is so opposed to big government, yet if it weren't for big government, VA Beach would be a ghost town. But that's a whole 'nother issue.
Exactly. Unlike Nova, Hampton Roads relies on one area of federal spending(Defense) meaning if would be a lot worse off if that were to get cut by a significant amount unlike Nova which encompasses every area of federal spending.
It always cracks me up how VA Beach always goes red in elections and the GOP is so opposed to big government, yet if it weren't for big government, VA Beach would be a ghost town. But that's a whole 'nother issue.
I haven't seen much evidence that the GOP is opposed to a large military, which is the backbone of the Hampton Roads economy. So I'm not sure why that seems inconsistent? There are many forms of government spending, you don't have to support all of them to support some of them.
To the OP's question, I think we have pretty much beat this one to death for you. haha. I would say TheJagMan probably gives the best overall assessment of the nightlife in the area, if that is what you are in to.
Virgina (especially the Tidewater area) is such a dichotmoy. There is such a division in the "7 Cities" ....Yeah, that's one of the reasons I left.
What do you mean if you don't mind me asking?
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I haven't seen much evidence that the GOP is opposed to a large military, which is the backbone of the Hampton Roads economy. So I'm not sure why that seems inconsistent? There are many forms of government spending, you don't have to support all of them to support some of them.
They're opposed to big government in rhetoric only.
[quote=Octa;25542721]What do you mean if you don't mind me asking?QUOTE]
The cities are so close to each other in proximity but yet so different as far as expectations for growth. Each city has it's own unique characteristics that offers something to the region. I grew up there and lived in Wmsburg, Norfolk, VB, Chesapeake and like each one for the qualities it has to offer. It just seems like the area itself is at a standstill and can't move forward. Whether it's the local govt. or the general attitude one city has for the other, I don't know.
I haven't seen much evidence that the GOP is opposed to a large military, which is the backbone of the Hampton Roads economy. So I'm not sure why that seems inconsistent? There are many forms of government spending, you don't have to support all of them to support some of them.
No, not on military and that's what adds to the hypocrisy. The military is part of the government. Without the government, there is no military.
It really cracks me up how again, they're so against big government, but only big government that doesn't benefit them as a party (AKA, including their constituents)
Don't you dare protect clean water or air, but hey, bomb another country? Sure, why not!
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To the OP's question, I think we have pretty much beat this one to death for you. haha. I would say TheJagMan probably gives the best overall assessment of the nightlife in the area, if that is what you are in to.
Are you not getting out much these days?
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They're opposed to big government in rhetoric only.
Absolutely. It's all about control.
Another topic, but that's one big thing about gay marriage. Again, they're against big government telling people what to do, but heaven forbid you let two women or men marry. That's wrong and the government needs to stop it.
Or the mosque in NYC when big mouth Bill DeSteph had the gal to write a letter on VA Beach letterhead to Mayor Bloomberg condemning and saying it needs to be stopped. Try doing that to the Christian right and you're automatically labeled all sort of nasty things.
It all comes down to do as I say, not as I do, and it's really disgusting.
No, not on military and that's what adds to the hypocrisy. The military is part of the government. Without the government, there is no military.
It really cracks me up how again, they're so against big government, but only big government that doesn't benefit them as a party (AKA, including their constituents)
Don't you dare protect clean water or air, but hey, bomb another country? Sure, why not!
Are you not getting out much these days?
Absolutely. It's all about control.
Another topic, but that's one big thing about gay marriage. Again, they're against big government telling people what to do, but heaven forbid you let two women or men marry. That's wrong and the government needs to stop it.
Or the mosque in NYC when big mouth Bill DeSteph had the gal to write a letter on VA Beach letterhead to Mayor Bloomberg condemning and saying it needs to be stopped. Try doing that to the Christian right and you're automatically labeled all sort of nasty things.
It all comes down to do as I say, not as I do, and it's really disgusting.
No, not on military and that's what adds to the hypocrisy. The military is part of the government. Without the government, there is no military.
It really cracks me up how again, they're so against big government, but only big government that doesn't benefit them as a party (AKA, including their constituents)
Nothing you said negated my point, it sounds more like you want to take jabs at some HR redneck straw man you created than actually admit the fact that it is at least plausible for HR "small government" folks to support Republicans yet still be opposed to other government expenditures like social programs and other discretionary spending.
Let me lay it out for you.
The republican party (in recent years) supports defense spending, the democrat party (at least in recent years under Clinton and Obama) have proposed defense cuts, the HR region depends on defense spending... therefore locals with military/defense ties vote mostly republican because they support the military institution (in principle) and it is also their livelihood. When most folks think of big government they don't think of the military... but you are right, the military is part of the government. In fact it is about 1/5 of the federal budget in recent years. However, that leaves 4/5 of government expenditures that these folks could still object to (in theory) and not be total hypocrites. I suspect most of it lies in the $646 billion dollars of "discresionary" spending each year, but I can't speak for them so I am not sure.
In your defense, you do make some good points about apparent inconsistent views about government intrusion etc..., but that is an aside and you really never validate your original point. I guess that is the beauty of sarcasm though (and why it is so attractive to folks who like to put others down to feel better about themselves), you don't have to actually say anything specific, you can just vaguely allude to some apparent discontinuity then simply dismiss them as irrational and hypocritical. Your self righteous indignation about their hypocrisy aside, voting red seems at least fairly rational to me.
If you want to argue that defense should be the first thing on the chopping block that is fine, many would agree with that, but there are many other things that could go on the chopping block as well to reduce the size of the federal government... but that is for another thread, not one about VB being boring. HAHA
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They're opposed to big government in rhetoric only.
Point taken, but as you can see above there are many forms of government spending... you don't have to be against all of them to be against some of them.
I was out at VB town center on Wednesday night and it was packed. Had to wait over an hour to get a seat at the Yardhouse so we went to Gordon Biersch instead. Next time we are going to check out that cigar and jazz club Havana Nights. Just because many on here turn their nose up at Town Center as "not a real downtown", it does not prevent most other folks from enjoying it.
Went to Zia Marie last week in the Chicks Beach area, once again had to wait for a table, folks were out walking around and hanging out in the street around there and at other bars nearby. Nice crowd inside, good mix of younger and older folks. Went down and walked along the beach for a while after. Had a good time.
I don't go to the strip in the summer, but if I was new to the area I would. There is live music, a nice boardwalk, good people watching, and lots of bars/restaurants to check out.
Aside from his failure to mention VB town center, which I think has a better vibe than Granby street these days, I think TheJagMan gave a decent assessment and recommendations. I might choose different specific locations, but nothing he said seemed like poor choices in my book. Not everyone is a hipster, we don't all define our self worth by seeing bands that nobody else has heard of yet or eating some food that came from a isolated tribe in Papua New Guinea. Sure, VB isn't Portland or Boulder, but it can be plenty fun for us regular folks.
If you want to argue that defense should be the first thing on the chopping block that is fine, many would agree with that, but there are many other things that could go on the chopping block as well to reduce the size of the federal government.
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there are many forms of government spending... you don't have to be against all of them to be against some of them.
You either are not seeing the point, or choose not to see the point.
You CANNOT go out there and picket and yell and scream and put teabags on your head and claim you want the government out of your life and want less government spending, but then go and vehemently defend spending billions upon billions on a part of the government or claim how important religion is but then try and deny another religious group the right to build some place.
This is hypocrisy.
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Hypocrite:
1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Apologies to the OP for hijacking your thread... I won't do it any more!
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