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Old 03-11-2015, 09:26 PM
 
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I agree, there's nothing special here. There are way better beach towns.
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Old 03-12-2015, 04:36 AM
 
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Ignore this person. I'm told they cause a lot trouble on the NoVa forum.
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Old 03-12-2015, 05:16 AM
 
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So that means Plano and Henderson are superior to Virginia Beach because they have lower violent crime rates? Raleigh or Tampa are worse because they have higher rates? I don't think so.

There are thousands upon thousands of people in every city on that list that are just fine day in and day out, and will continue to be the rest of their time in those cities.
Plano and Henderson are superior in terms of violent crime rates... that is one variable, and when you add up a bunch of variables you get the sum total of a location... it isn't that complicated. Nobody said VB was the only safe place in the U.S. I just said that it has a very low violent crime rate... people would typically view that as a positive. Maybe you don't, that is your opinion not to, but I would assume you are in the minority there. I was simply using a technique where I make a statement then I use data to back up that statement. Some people like to have discussions in that manner. Your odds of being the victim of a violent crime are fairly low in most of the country, yes... but they are among the lowest in VB. Nothing controversial about that statement.


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Interesting methodology... 33% is based off acreage alone. If there are thousands of acres of woods or swamp, what good does that do anyone?

Another 16.5% is based off playgrounds. I don't use playgrounds, and I don't believe they make a park better unless you have kids.
Lots of people do have kids, myself included. We get opinions too. You don't have to like the methodology, it is just a widely sourced resource for assessing parks in various cities. You can also choose to ignore that VB scores well in proximity to parks and other parameters that people might find useful. You can think parks are a complete waste of tax dollars for all I care. That's your prerogative, thankfully anyone who is interested can look at the data and determine how it applies to their particular situation since situations vary.


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First and foremost, property taxes in NJ cover far more than they do in VA. Additionally, there are not silly taxes such as personal property.
They should, given that they are twice the rate on properties that cost twice as much. What is your point? We are lucky to have you to tell us which taxes and fees are silly and which ones make perfect sense... total tax burden is all that really matters at the end of the day and mine is much lower here than it would be in most of the northeast and for the things that matter to me I get comparable or better services. I mean honestly, half of the residents of New Jersey say they want to leave New Jersey... maybe I'll just link an article rather than go over all of the reasons. Tax burden is mentioned a few times in the article.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf...1/post_68.html

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Second, there are plenty of areas that do not assess fees other than NJ. Miami Beach for example has far superior facilities and charges nothing except for specialty activities like ice skating, Parks and Recreation @ City of Miami Beach
There may be, that doesn't mean that fees are "crazy" as you asserted they were. Once again, pointless hyperbole backed up by nothing but personal opinion. You didn't argue that some places don't charge for rec centers, you argued that charging additional fees for them is crazy. It is clearly not crazy, it is a way that many cities choose to help pay for them. I showed links to cities that also charge for them as evidence that it is not crazy or unique to VB. Crazy is an opinion not a fact. If you want to argue that some places don't charge additional fees then just say that...

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Third, you're linking to subpar, weed filled courses.

An actual course like VB National (which is still below standards) is at the average rate.
I think that they are very typical municipal courses that the average person plays on. What are you basing the assertion taht VB National is below standards of the average golf course that an average round is played on? It is just an opinion. I can say that the Lincoln Memorial is a subpar landmark, it doesn't make it true.

There are many more courses in VB as well at different price points... basically all the ones open to the public are at or below national average rates. We have a lot of options and your typical weekend golfer can afford most of them. (Honey Bee, Heron Ridge, Hell's Point, Stumpy Lake, Signature and West Neck in VB alone not to mention the surrounding cities and high end stuff in W-burg.)That is all I said. It is an amenity that I enjoy. You could probably make an argument that it isn't extraordinary for golf like a myrtle beach or parts of florida, but we are hardly getting "ripped off" as you would say. This argument is pointless anyways, there is no objective measure of course "value" out there to appeal to we will just argue in circles on this if we want to. Better to just move on.

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If you're happy, that's all that counts. Trying to sell the area as one of the only family friendly, low crime, budget paradises is absurd though. Again, you can find these amenities all over the US. You're being ripped off.
I am happy, thank you for noticing. As for the rest... you have at no point made any rational, fact based, assessment that shows I'm "being ripped off" or that I have tried to sell the place as the only place with said features. You cannot actually debate my comments at face value so you construct similar "straw man" arguments that you can take down with your exaggerations.

It is hilarious to me that coming on here and basically saying that "VB is a nice place to raise a family and live" is a controversial statement. Apparently saying a place does not suck and offers a decent middle-class quality of life then listing the amenities that I enjoy is suddenly the equivalent of calling it "paradise"

I'm getting bored, this is more like arguing with my toddler than another rational adult. It is what it is... maybe you should read up on these before you try debating again. You may find a few of them interesting as you use them often.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

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Old 03-12-2015, 05:42 AM
 
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Ignore this person. I'm told they cause a lot trouble on the NoVa forum.
Agree!
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Old 03-12-2015, 05:44 AM
 
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Ignore this person. I'm told they cause a lot trouble on the NoVa forum.
I don't cause trouble in the HR not NoVa forum lol please. I don't start drama with numerous posters and bash other people's area because they don't have "clear blue skies and a sunset". How have I caused trouble in the NoVa forum? No one likes you there and people tell you to leave and get out. I simply gave my opinion, I move to California this summer because I want to experience a quality beach town plus I love the water. Like I said there are better beach towns than VA beach, this is a fact and not debatable.

Now you're dismissed.
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Old 03-12-2015, 05:47 AM
 
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Agree!
You don't even partake in the NoVa forum. What he/she said was false, because I've only got into it with him/her. Most of my comments are moving advice on that forum and that's it.

But of course you agree.
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Old 03-12-2015, 05:48 AM
 
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When I encounter posts from Coconut and Deluusions I can count on disparities and sophomoric hyperbole.
No real facts, just nonsense.
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Old 03-12-2015, 05:55 AM
 
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Like I said there are better beach towns than VA beach, this is a fact and not debatable.
It is an opinion, and it is debatable... even if most people may agree with your opinion. There is a difference.
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Old 03-12-2015, 06:11 AM
 
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When I encounter posts from Coconut and Deluusions I can count on disparities and sophomoric hyperbole.
No real facts, just nonsense.
I loose brain cells whenever I see you and ilovnova comment. I'm sure coconut feels the same

Also you don't seem intellectual. What I said was an opinion that most agree with, so you would choose VA beach over Laguna beach or Malibu? Ok.

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Old 03-12-2015, 06:36 AM
 
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It is an opinion, and it is debatable... even if most people may agree with your opinion. There is a difference.
The only factor I can see it come down to is that it is someones hometown.
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