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Old 06-28-2014, 05:55 PM
 
Location: Kahala
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Can't we just take over Canada and put this issue to bed? No need to debate then. Good beer, whiskey, hockey, skiing, and beautiful women. I say go for it. And as a bonus, I heard they have some oil we could use.
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Old 06-28-2014, 06:41 PM
 
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But to insist, in a modern democratic country, that because of things that happened between people who are no longer alive, from an era in which nobody is still living, that somehow excuses barring 80% of the current Hawaiian voters from participating in a decision that affects everyone? Nope, that turkey just won't fly, no matter how you dress it up.



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Old 06-29-2014, 12:21 PM
 
Location: honolulu
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Interesting, but this isn't Canada.
this isn't.... we have a winnah, give that boy a prize... I didn't claim this was

interesting as you say.... its whats right
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Old 07-06-2014, 12:41 AM
 
Location: honolulu
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HONOLULU—A proposal by the Obama administration to create a new relationship with ethnic Hawaiians may have backfired.

The U.S. Department of Interior is holding a series of hearings about the plan, which, it said in a statement, would determine “the best path forward for honoring the trust relationship that Congress has created specifically to benefit Native Hawaiians.”

The vast majority of native Hawaiians who testified during a recent hearing were indignant, and even outraged, that the federal government would try to insert itself or side with any faction of native Hawaiians.

They scolded, shouted at and questioned the motives of Interior Department officials. Many said they want the Hawaiian monarchy restored to power and the U.S. government out of Hawaii.

>>> How Hawaii (Legally) Discriminates Against Non-Native Hawaiians

Congress has enacted more than 150 statutes over several decades specifically for native Hawaiians, yet the federal government hasn’t negotiated directly with the Kingdom of Hawaii since it was overthrown in 1893, the Interior statement said.

Hawaiian activist Bumpy Kanahele, who heads the organization Nation of Hawaii, told Interior officials: “We don’t need you to come in to tell us how to govern ourselves. Let us figure it out.”

University of Hawaii Hawaiian studies professor Jonathan Osorio said the feds shouldn’t intervene and impose additional “aggression upon our nation.”

While the debate is stirring up an already racially divided community, constitutional experts argue President Obama and the Department of Interior have no legal right to create such a relationship and has no business holding these hearings in the first place.

>>> A Separate, Race-Based Government for Native Hawaiians?

Former Hawaii State Attorney General Michael Lilly has said native Hawaiians have no tribe, and therefore, the United States cannot enter into a treaty relationship.

“The current effort to recognize a separate ethnic tribe by the Department of the Interior is unconstitutional because, under the Constitution, it is the Congress that has the plenary power to recognize tribes and ratify treaties,” Lilly said. “That power does not reside in the executive branch of the federal government or with the various states. So the current effort aimed at creating a tribe of Hawaiians has no legal basis.”

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that a “tribe” is a political and not a racial entity, Lilly said. “If there was such a tribe, then all the multi-ethnic peoples who were citizens of the Hawaiian monarchy would be members of that tribe,” Lilly said.

Hans von Spakovsky agrees. He’s a senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation who spent four years working in the civil rights division at the U.S. Department of Justice, specifically on such issues.

“Not only is it unconstitutional, but the administration has no authority to enter into such a relationship,” von Spakovsky said. “It is a sign of how the Obama administration believes in official discrimination and sanctions it. They continue to divide up our country and raise the walls between different races. I find it disgusting that they want to do this.”


Obama Faces Backlash Over Native Hawaiians Proposal
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Old 07-06-2014, 12:55 AM
 
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Kawena, you must have missed this.

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Old 07-06-2014, 03:50 PM
 
Location: honolulu
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awww frostee...... srsly...

I am merely answering the OP question.. if there was a de-bait / discussion think it was done buy some other peoples... I was trying to post relevant info as to how and why the US has control over the islands of Hawaii. I think you need to tell people not to ask that kind of questions. or better yet have the mod move the question over to the write form. As much as I tried to post relevant information, I believe you had your share of miss directing the topic. you don't see me threading on your thread. thank you very much



How Come United States have control of the Hawaii Islands?
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Old 07-06-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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awww frostee...... srsly...

I am merely answering the OP question.. if there was a de-bait / discussion think it was done buy some other peoples... I was trying to post relevant info as to how and why the US has control over the islands of Hawaii. I think you need to tell people not to ask that kind of questions. or better yet have the mod move the question over to the write form. As much as I tried to post relevant information, I believe you had your share of miss directing the topic. you don't see me threading on your thread. thank you very much



How Come United States have control of the Hawaii Islands?
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Sorry, it's new and I just thought maybe you might not have had a chance to read it or didn't see the post for some reason.

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Old 07-06-2014, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Volcano
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Kawena, you must have missed this.

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Yes, and he also missed this...

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Old 07-06-2014, 04:39 PM
 
Location: honolulu
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Yes, and he also missed this...
I been missing allot..... thanks for posting it out guys.... I feel i really owe you....

got any more?
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