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I believe what i was trying to say in the beginning was rail wasn't overly popular as some members on this forum try to push. It isn't what everybody wants. In the 2008 vote on rail it only passed 51 percent to 46 percent, most of the supporting votes were from honolulu and areas who will benefit from rail. But thats not really saying anything because in Hawai'i we are well known for not voting. Then you have to look at the history on this issue. Since 1970s time and time again this issue was brought to table and voted against by our elected officals.
I don't necessary agree. Mikala43 i believe mainland contractors will go where the money is. I really don't know what will happen with this project.
I would really like to see just how many truely voted in 2008.
Panos ran on anti-rail platform and lost multiple times. A vote result is a vote result, and the answer was yes. "But it wasn't by a lot or popular" means............................ nothing. The vote was still "yes."
You want to see how many truly voted? What does that mean? The numbers of our poor voter turn out? Pretty sure that info is available.
I was vocally anti-rail. I voted, lost, shut up.
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Sure you have, isn't rail progress? How many times have we heard you and whtviper1 talk about progress? Doesnt everyone want progress? What we have is just a simple Ideology conflict. You may have voted against it but you do support it and that ideal of progress.
Im sorry im not anti technology advancement, But if rail, new tall skyscrapers, superferry or kala, makes us forget aloha, betterment of our communities or who we are in Hawai'i then its better to go without. Dang Mikala43 wake up sistah! We have keiki shooting eachother now, more homeless then evah, record drug use, highest incarceration rates in history and tons of other problems etc on our islands and we have more kala and luxuries then evah in history. Do you honestly believe betterment of Hawai'i problems is more Kala or Rail etc
Can you remind us again who "us" "our" "we" are again (or just yourself).
In most realities, when someone hasn't lived somewhere (in this case - Hawaii) for 30+ years (again - yourself), bases rememberances on childhood memories, youtube, newspapers, and the internet in general - it loses the luster of "us" "our "we".
I would suspect most of us value the opinion and weigh it much more greatly of people who actually live here and have a stake here.
If you expended half as much energy on where you actually live you might make some "progress".
Can you remind us again who "us" "our" "we" are again (or just yourself).
In most realities, when someone hasn't lived somewhere (in this case - Hawaii) for 30+ years (again - yourself), bases rememberances on childhood memories, youtube, newspapers, and the internet in general - it loses the luster of "us" "our "we".
I would suspect most of us value the opinion and weigh it much more greatly of people who actually live here and have a stake here.
If you expended half as much energy on where you actually live you might make some "progress".
So please remind us all where your from again Mr. Viper? Please tell us all about what makes you have Mastery of all things Hawai'i? Is your mastery because you know about the cost of condos, tax stats or how to avoid traffic? Activities all common to every western city in any western civilized country? Is it your physical location? Please explain to everyone what your stake or what us locals call "skin" is in Hawai'i besides your personal investments or paying taxes? Please Mr Viper explain to everyone what you "shoulder?" Please tell us about your roots in Hawai'i? In most realities people who master driving regular cars don't claim to be race car drivers like you do Mr. Viper. It will be interesting to hear your claim to Mastery is and how that compairs to the realities of life in Hawai'i.
Really? You know we have people who live in America who don't speak English or vote or pay taxes? So just because they live here physically for however long does that mean they have mastery over the English language or American issues? Again please explain to everyone what your stake or what us locals call "skin" is in Hawai'i besides your personal investments or paying taxes? Please Mr Viper explain to everyone what you "shoulder?" Please tell us what your roots are in Hawai'i? I really suspect it's nothing.
That's the point had you really lived in Hawai'i you will know that sometimes who you are and what your roots are have more credibility and bearing then your experience ,knowledge or perceived individual importantance. I think I made my point and I'm done.
So just because they live here physically for however long does that mean they have mastery over the English language or American issues?
We haven't been discussing the English language or American issues.
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