Hawaii to consider Universal Basic Income (hotels, houses, schools)

[eastside14]

Hawaii just became the first US state to pass a bill supporting universal basic income. On June 15, Hawaii state representative Chris Lee wrote a Reddit post about House Concurrent Resolution 89, a bill he says he introduced in order to "start a conversation about our future."

From Chris Lee's Reddit post:

I introduced House Concurrent Resolution 89 this year to start a conversation about our future. After much work and with the help of a few key colleagues, it passed both houses of the State Legislature unanimously. HCR 89 does two things. First, it boldly declares that all families in Hawaii deserve basic financial security. As far as I'm told it's the first time any state has made such a pronouncement, but I think it's an important statement of our values here in Hawaii on which we seek to act.
HCR 89 also establishes a Basic Economic Security Working Group co-chaired by the Department of Labor and Department of Business, Economic Development and Tourism to analyze our state's economy, and find ways to ensure all families have basic financial security, including an evaluation of different forms of a full or partial universal basic income. The group will eventually be reporting back to the State Legislature with further recommendations and next steps.

The bill past unanimously... Many people considering relocation to Hawaii are discouraged by the high cost of living and limited career opportunities. Why would anyone not want to move if Universal basic income becomes available in the future?

[Palanakonu]

Originally Posted by eastside14

Why would anyone not want to move if Universal basic income becomes available in the future?

Because the money has to come from somewhere?
We, as a state, are already on the short end of things because the money just isn't there.
Taxes will have to be raised. And historically "people that do" don't like the idea of money being taken away from them and being given to "people that don't".
Of course, that's just a reference to the hard working people who pay their taxes and contribute to society.

I see this as being another shiny bauble that will lure more of the mainland freeloader type with their dreams of living on a beach and smoking pot all day.

But honestly... what do I know. This won't affect me.

[Mikala43]

We don't even know where the money to fund all the government pensions is coming from, our schools are a mess, infrastructure is a mess.....

Glad to see where their priorities lie.

[hotzcatz]

We're letting all these corporations come in here and use our state without doing anything other than giving some of the residents service quality jobs. How about we require all businesses making money from Hawaii and the tourists to keep their corporate offices located in Hawaii? At least enough corporate offices to operate the local hotels & stores. Hilton & the rest of them would have to move their offices or at least part of their offices to Hawaii. Shootz, let's go nuts and say that Walmart has to have their corporate offices (at least the ones that take care of the stores here) here, too. Instead of sending the money directly to their home office, they have to have an account at a local bank.

Hawaii, the state, generates loads of money, but most of it doesn't even land here on the island but goes directly back to who ever owns the hotels or retail shops.

[Mikala43]

I'm not sure what the answer is, but we are already ranked as one of the worst states to do business. At what point will the say "buh-bye"?

[terracore]

'The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money' - Margaret Thatcher

If this becomes reality I will either quit my job or move. The state has already stolen most of my income, if they take any more there wouldn't be any point in working. I understand the theory behind this, that in some utopian future all the work is done by robots and wealth is redistributed to the people, but we're not there yet.

[Mikala43]

Where is it that does this well? I think Singapore?

You are guaranteed a job and place to live, if you do not contribute to society you jailed... something like that.

But we would want to give with no accountability - how to make your country fail.

[eureka1]

Good for them for being willing to try it. I'd suggest a year wait period for any benefits though.

[whtviper1]

Originally Posted by terracore

The state has already stolen most of my income, if they take any more there wouldn't be any point in working.

Stolen? I guess moving from Alaska one doesn't like the tax rates in Hawaii, I moved from San Francisco and find taxes here quite reasonable in comparison.

[YoungTraveler2011]

Unbelievable how democrats manage to ruin every single thing they get their hands on. but then again, the people deserve the idiots they, themselves, put into power.