Racism in Hawaii (Honolulu, Pearl City: for sale, house, buy)

[tjax1000]

Originally Posted by tinted

Please specify. Thanks.

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[HankDfrmSD]

Originally Posted by tjax1000

Fifth, the state actively encourages racism by doing things like giving people of specific ancestry access to the best public school system in the state while denying access to others. One must realize that in Hawaii, all men are not created equal under the law and than ancestry is just a proxy for race.

If you are talking about Kamehameha Schools, which does have a "Hawaiian Ancestry Only" admissions policy, it is not a public school. It is a private school, K-12, with an endowment bigger than all the Universities in the US except Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford and MIT, according to Wikipedia. The admissions policy has been challenged in the courts, State and Federal, and so far, the School has prevailed.

Hank

[tjax1000]

Originally Posted by Pancho & Zapata

Quick question... if they aren't equal which areas have the most & least race conflicts?

Ask 50 people and you might get 25 different answers or so... but since you asked me, I'll give you my subjective, anecdotal observation.

At the far end of the spectrum is a place like Waikiki that is so infused by tourists and even residents from various places around the world that I doubt you'd ever get much of a stink eye. It would be like someone with pink hair and leather clothes getting looked at funny in San Francisco. Not gonna happen.

I've also found Kihei to be comfortable and would consider it a good place to live.

What are the worse places? Thats a little harder. I've gotten a few first hand accounts of visitors here on Kauai being told to get off the beach when visiting Anahola beach. A couple times on the west side of Kauai in Waimea, when I've been walking to lunch, I've had people yell something out the back of a truck at me, all I could really make out is "Haole" something. No big deal, I've been yelled at before. Once, on the mainland, I had a serious car accident and while standing outside the car, a couple passers by in traffic were laughing and yelling out the window at me. You can find rude people anywhere and everywhere if you wait long enough.

I have a little test- I'm not sure there is any validity to it or not. But when you live here and meet locals you don't know, some of them make it a point during the first few seconds to ask where you came from and how long you've been here. I have to say that the locals I'm friends with (and I've met some GREAT people!) didn't ask this up front and it only came up much later in conversation. They wanted to get to know me as a person first and weren't looking to base their impression on me based on how long I've lived here.

[tjax1000]

Originally Posted by HankDfrmSD

If you are talking about Kamehameha Schools, which does have a "Hawaiian Ancestry Only" admissions policy, it is not a public school. It is a private school, K-12, with an endowment bigger than all

Thanks for correcting me I need to edit the original post. I've always thought that if something is private you can do what you like, although it does set some interesting precedents that the country might not be ready for.

[VLWH]

They are just pissed because Jack Lord was a haole.

Originally Posted by HankDfrmSD

I thought I knew about racism, but I have learned a lot on this board.

The main lesson: If you are white, there is a good chance you will experience some racism in Hawaii. Maybe not, but more probably yes.

My take from this:
If you are white in Hawaii, you are a "minority".
Learn from it.
Perhaps teach your children about it. Black people understand it, because they experience it on the mainland. So do some Asians. They don't like it, but they deal with it. Maybe it is a GOOD thing if a white person in Hawaii experiences it. Maybe if they experience it while they are young, and really learn from it, they will someday go to a place where they are now again the "majority" and will behave differently toward the "minority".

I'm white. I was a mid- to senior-officer in the Navy while it was going through the process of removing the discrimination that had been inherent for centuries (black and fillipino "stewards" to serve the officers, for example), so I thought I knew about racism.

Till I started reading here, and really started thinking about it.

It's very different when "the shoe is on the other foot".

Hank

[sevenofsix]

Originally Posted by VLWH

They are just pissed because Jack Lord was a haole.

who is pissed?

[missyelliott]

Originally Posted by Paniolo Cowgirl

It's nice you got a laugh out of it but my post was not meant to be funny. The racism I have experienced on the mainland has certainly not been funny.

Because of the low incidence of racism directed at Asians, Hawaii can be a real oasis for people like me.

No matter what the color of your skin, racism hurts.

I have lived here for 3 years in kauai, seriously no matter how hard I try to fit in, i never do. I have had days where I went home crying. I have had local people smash my car and leave it damaged without even leaving a note. It costs me $1000 out of pocket to fix, i have been gossiped about till I am blue in the face, and nearly lost my job as a result of vicoius rumors. My boyfriend and I drive a jeep and people give us dirty looks on the roadway and frankly I am tired of being asked by locals "where you visiting from." I get disgusted with this mentality, but then one day some very sweet local person will go out of their way to do something really nice that changes my feelings. So my skin got thick real quick, I find the sweetest people of all are true Hawaiians, Tongans and Somoans.

[Steve40th]

If you cant see the racism here in Oahu etc, than you are blind to it. It is here and FOCUSED on the Haole white people. Its a state you cant appreciate till you experience it. I have lived in many states(and been to many countries, and Hawaii is more obvious to me for racism), and have been a minority in most places. I was told about it in Hawaii (been here 8 years, Pearl City and Mililani). Its just like when you are in San Fran, you see the gays because you are looking for it. But if you are from here, raised here, you are a local that may not see it the way others see it. But love is blind too.

[Pancho & Zapata]

Originally Posted by tjax1000

Ask 50 people and you might get 25 different answers or so... but since you asked me, I'll give you my subjective, anecdotal observation.

At the far end of the spectrum is a place like Waikiki that is so infused by tourists and even residents from various places around the world that I doubt you'd ever get much of a stink eye. It would be like someone with pink hair and leather clothes getting looked at funny in San Francisco. Not gonna happen.

I've also found Kihei to be comfortable and would consider it a good place to live.

What are the worse places? Thats a little harder. I've gotten a few first hand accounts of visitors here on Kauai being told to get off the beach when visiting Anahola beach. A couple times on the west side of Kauai in Waimea, when I've been walking to lunch, I've had people yell something out the back of a truck at me, all I could really make out is "Haole" something. No big deal, I've been yelled at before. Once, on the mainland, I had a serious car accident and while standing outside the car, a couple passers by in traffic were laughing and yelling out the window at me. You can find rude people anywhere and everywhere if you wait long enough.

I have a little test- I'm not sure there is any validity to it or not. But when you live here and meet locals you don't know, some of them make it a point during the first few seconds to ask where you came from and how long you've been here. I have to say that the locals I'm friends with (and I've met some GREAT people!) didn't ask this up front and it only came up much later in conversation. They wanted to get to know me as a person first and weren't looking to base their impression on me based on how long I've lived here.

Thanks... please indulge me with another question. What do you think of Diamond Head & Kaneohe (two areas we are considering)... I guess Diamond Head will fall under the same category as Waikiki... but how about Kaneohe / Kailua?

[MrTudo]

Originally Posted by Paniolo Cowgirl

As an Asian I have experienced racism on the mainland but never in Hawaii.

As a Caucasian I've esperienced in in Asia. Some of it was mighty interesting too