Ten worst things about living in Honolulu (lawyers, house)

[manoagirl]

However! I dare you to essentially write the same thing on any other states forum, but instead, write Hispanic instead of Haole and write the White guy instead of native, see what kind of response you get.

Summarized, Hispanics should not get offended being called *******s, its just another term for illegal imagrant, regardless of how negatively it is used. If you correct me and tell me you are not a *******, I'm entitiled to get angry and treat you worse, because you are correcting my language and disrespecting my culture. Also, if your skin is dark you need to go out and get your skin bleached, this way you look more like the other people around and don't stick out. This will also get you more discounts as dark people should be charged more. etc etc. My point made?

That is a fair response, and it sounds like you agree with me on some points. The reason why some Hispanics on the mainland refuse to speak English is because they can get away with it and many have their own communities where English is not mandatory. Unlike previous racial groups that migrated to the U.S .other immigrants gave up their language and culture to become Americans that was their choice. Hispanics have chosen to not give up their culture and language, and to be frank why would they have to when they are quite aware that by 2050 they will be the largest minority in America this give them POWER!!! Also most Hispanics stick together as a group where many white Americans divide and don't stick together as a community and that is just my opinion.

Many white Americans are more concerned with Hispanics cutting their lawn, or cleaning their homes or hiring them for low wages and maintaining their sense of entitlement then thinking about their future generation. It is the White (Blanco) Mexicans that control Mexico and yes some of the darker skin Mexicans do bleach their skin, because in their culture whitter skin is considered more beautiful in their culture just watch Spanish TV and see how many dark complexion Mexican or Hispanics you see on TV most of them look European.

Hawaii is unique where a tan complexion is just considered a healthy look and most people in Hawaii are of mix race heritage.

Yes you are entitled to get angry but why take it out on other minorities who are just letting you know how it is. White Americans for the first time in their lives are beginning to be treated as a minority group, learn to adapt because that will be your future if things in the mainland don't change and people don't fight and stand up for their own culture rights. Many locals don't want Hawaii to become like the mainland.

In regards to nursing, well I recently heard on the news that they are now going to be importing nursing jobs and bringing people over to America from other countries to compete with the American nurse shortage.

Aloha

Leilani

[JLeez808]

Originally Posted by manoagirl

White Americans for the first time in their lives are beginning to be treated as a minority group, learn to adapt because that will be your future if things in the mainland don't change and people don't fight and stand up for their own culture rights. Many locals don't want Hawaii to become like the mainland.

Steven Colbert (of "The Colbert Report" on Comedy Central) is on the cover of Esquire magazine this month and his featured article is a sattire about white people losing their socio-cultural power in the U.S. "We've had control for over 200 years...But why can't we have more?" is one of his, of course, sarcastic comments. But as with most sarcastic comedy...some of it is true.

Yes, many "Local People" do not want Hawaii to be like the mainland. I've been reading Grant Okamura's writings on contemporary Hawaiian history and he mentions how Pidgin is perpetuated WITH THE INTENTIONS of seperating themselves from mainlanders, foreigners from Japan and the rest of Asia, and from the rest of the world for that matter. Yes "Local people" love KFC, McDonalds, Ford, hip-hop, rock music, and all other good mainland things but they draw a line somewhere and say "this is us....and that is you". That line is drawn a little differently by each individual though. I know some Samoans, for example, that their favorite music is CCR, Eagles, Pink Floyd, etc....go figure.

Just some thoughts.

[JLeez808]

Further evidence for those non-believers that still think "haole" is derogatory and still get offended:

I was just in Waiks (waikiki) today and overheard some local teenage girls talk about how jealous they are of their friend "cuz she get one hot new 'haole' boyfriend from Kalani"...

[hotzcatz]

Haole no bodda me. Real close to hau'oli, dontcha think?

[JLeez808]

Yeah I guess some ppl hea still take offense...thinking we hiding some subliminal negativity in the word and then laughing latah.

"Hau'oli" mean happy yeah?

Some have said that ha'ole, or "without ha (breath)", is the origin of haole, or "foreigner". Others have said different. I forget how that debate ends...

[Kalena888]

In Hawaii, one uses the word "Haole" in different ways, both good and bad. "See that haole guy over there" is just pointing out to a man who looks haole and is just a generic term describing his features. When we say "typical haole", most times its an insult referring to something negative that haole has done that goes against the usually polite ways of the locals (such as just taking food at a potluck and bringing nothing to contribute, and doing this on a regular basis), being a "know it all" (the locals don't like arrogance or people bragging). But there are a few locals who have the "haole" attitude and some haoles who have the "local" attitude or at least try to learn it. As much as I don't like to admit it,in recent years, the locals where I live do not possess the kind of Aloha spirit Hawaii is famous for; I have also found a lot of haoles here "friendlier" than some of the locals. So, to me, it really is an attitude. I am not a world traveller so I can't speak in those terms, only can judge from where I live. Mainlanders: want to get along with the locals? Don't brag about yourself, don't act like you're better or smarter than the locals (even though you secretly think you are), try to learn the customs, please don't try to speak pidgin (the locals can tell and think it's funny), be polite in the everyday stuff like not cutting people off in traffic, saying thank you, holding the door open for someone behind you, etc.

Hawaii, like everyplace else in the world, is not for everyone; if you don't like it here, don't complain unless you plan to do something about it, or just move elsewhere - that wonderful place where there are no drugs, no racism, no roaches, and no rudeness!

[Goldwing]

Originally Posted by Kalena888

In Hawaii, one uses the word "Haole" in different ways, both good and bad. "See that haole guy over there" is just pointing out to a man who looks haole and is just a generic term describing his features. When we say "typical haole", most times its an insult referring to something negative that haole has done that goes against the usually polite ways of the locals (such as just taking food at a potluck and bringing nothing to contribute, and doing this on a regular basis), being a "know it all" (the locals don't like arrogance or people bragging). But there are a few locals who have the "haole" attitude and some haoles who have the "local" attitude or at least try to learn it. As much as I don't like to admit it,in recent years, the locals where I live do not possess the kind of Aloha spirit Hawaii is famous for; I have also found a lot of haoles here "friendlier" than some of the locals. So, to me, it really is an attitude. I am not a world traveller so I can't speak in those terms, only can judge from where I live. Mainlanders: want to get along with the locals? Don't brag about yourself, don't act like you're better or smarter than the locals (even though you secretly think you are), try to learn the customs, please don't try to speak pidgin (the locals can tell and think it's funny), be polite in the everyday stuff like not cutting people off in traffic, saying thank you, holding the door open for someone behind you, etc.

Hawaii, like everyplace else in the world, is not for everyone; if you don't like it here, don't complain unless you plan to do something about it, or just move elsewhere - that wonderful place where there are no drugs, no racism, no roaches, and no rudeness!

Lets get this straight once and for all people "haole" is so misunderstood here its sick.

"haole" means NO BREATH given to the missionaries because when they prayed they did not breath out as the Hawaiian did in the prayers.

"haole" is so over used and misunderstood here it's pathetic

When the missionary's would pray also they would look down and fold there hands together and to the Hawaiians it meant they where looking down to hell and holding there energy that made the Hawaiians run in fear.

Reference from;
The Kahuna Sorcerers of Hawaii, Past and Present
a very rare book and very expensive

[Jungjohann]

Originally Posted by hotzcatz

Haole no bodda me. Real close to hau'oli, dontcha think?

I see someone wen broke out da Judd, Pukui, Stokes dictionary, yea??? I'm a haole, been a haole here for over thirty years, but, most importantly, have never been a "darn haole", a very important distinction.


Aloha, tree day weekend oh da hau'oli!!!!!!!

[Huckleberry3911948]

that slow left hand turn. the good news if you dont drive you wont see it for months.

[Halothane]

This is funny. I lived in Kanehoe for 3 years in the mid '80's. As a white guy never once did I view the term Haole as derogatory. No big deal.