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The ultimate question is what were Hawaiians reading in the 19th Century? Most were probably reading books and newspapers that the missionaries (or their students) had a hand in producing, which "set the stage" for subsequent mental and actual colonization. So while the missionaries came to Hawaiʻi to "do good" and bring literacy to the Hawaiian people, their descendants "did real well" and ended up controlling much of the land.
So did the missionaries come over to do "good", whos good? Or was it to get another culture to assimilate there beliefs and ideals? I think the evidence is in outlawing the language and hula, then becoming weathy and owning most of the land. Further none of anything would of happened without the traditional Aloha attitude that came from the people in the first place.
Lets approach this another way, we never know what could of been, so everything is just speculation.
And that's the way it will remain. We will never know...period. Dreaming about rainbows and unicorns won't make it happen, so why speculate about how "wonderful" it could become with a reset?
Your quote: Don't make things up. There was no vote fraud involved, and none alleged. Obviously a lot of people just didn't care enough to take a stand one way or the other. So they lost their right to complain about how it turned out.
We've fought many wars to establish and protect our right to vote, including a very big one just a few years earlier in which many Hawaiians lost their lives. What's the point of all that struggle and loss if people don't bother to use the vote we fought for?
It was a fair election, and it's a done deal, and 53 years later the matter is completely settled for all practical purposes. A tiny group of extremists disagree. So? It won't change anything.
But obviously there was something wrong Open because the acceptance of statehood for Hawaii was not without its share of controversy. Many Native Hawaiians in Hawaii protested against statehood. So obviously if the whole issue was made with real justice and fairness in mind you wouldnt have the lack of caring or protest
Lets approach this another way, we never know what could of been, so everything is just speculation.
And that's the way it will remain. We will never know...period. Dreaming about rainbows and unicorns won't make it happen, so why speculate about how "wonderful" it could become with a reset?
Whats the alternative? Don't educate yourself with the issues, don't learn from History and repeat it over again. No stink intended but as we speak we are trying to conquer another people. When we do are we going to have the same conversation 50 years from now with the same rationalizations to justify it? Or maybe we can be responsible learn from the past and do things differently huh?
So did the missionaries come over to do "good", whos good? Or was it to get another culture to assimilate there beliefs and ideals? I think the evidence is in outlawing the language and hula, then becoming weathy and owning most of the land. Further none of anything would of happened without the traditional Aloha attitude that came from the people in the first place.
Thanks to the efforts of Henry ʻŌpūkahaʻia, the missionaries were convinced to come to Hawaiʻi to "spread the Gospel" and "convert the heathens." Although his actions had the opposite effect, ʻŌpūkahaʻia probably thought that he was helping the Hawaiian people out.
[quote=hawaiian by heart;31570280A thriving civilization with anywhere from 200,000 to 800,000 Fullblooded Hawaiians before cook landed bringing small pox and other diseases, that decimated a population of Native Hawaiians to the current time of voting for statehood, at the time of the vote for statehood, fullblooded Native Hawai'ians population was 10,502, and part-Hawaiians were counted at 91,597, for a total of 102,097. Big difference between 200,000-800,000 fullblooded Hawai'ians .
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What you have to understand is that if it hadn't been Cook stumbling upon Hawaii then it would have been someone else - it was inevitable.
A thriving civilization with anywhere from 200,000 to 800,000 Fullblooded Hawaiians before cook landed bringing small pox and other diseases, that decimated a population of Native Hawaiians to the current time of voting for statehood, at the time of the vote for statehood, fullblooded Native Hawai'ians population was 10,502, and part-Hawaiians were counted at 91,597, for a total of 102,097. Big difference between 200,000-800,000 fullblooded Hawai'ians .
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I just can't wrap my head around the conspiracy theories. If I follow this correctly, the suggestion is that a grand conspiracy was hatched in 1778. And it went something like this:
The US will send an English Sailor (Captain Cook) to Hawaii in 1779, for the purpose of intentionally infecting the population with disease in order to diminish their population enough to win an election 180 years later.
If the Hawaiian nationalists really had solid ideas for the future of the people of Hawaii (which includes all the citizen of Hawaii), then they could offer their solutions to the people and started getting elected to office and run the Island through the Govenors office. That would be a more productive and beneficial use of their energy. But unfortunately for them, their ideas have almost no support from the population of Hawaii.
Thanks to the efforts of Henry ʻŌpūkahaʻia, the missionaries were convinced to come to Hawaiʻi to "spread the Gospel" and "convert the heathens." Although his actions had the opposite effect, ʻŌpūkahaʻia probably thought that he was helping the Hawaiian people out.
Aloha, ya hell is paved with good intentions lol. Jonah K, i just wantted to say like Open, i too apreciate your education and most of the time views. Mahalo
[quote=hawaiian by heart;31570829any Native Hawaiians in Hawaii protested against statehood. So obviously if the whole issue was made with real justice and fairness in mind you wouldnt have the lack of caring or protest[/quote]
What is your definition of many - or was it a few?
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