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I'm sorry what is it you think you have proven here???
Not here to bash PA's or NP's have worked with many excellent ones over the years but in my experience the PA's are better trained for what they do and the education provided in PA programs is more standardized in terms of clinical rotations...not to mention standardized board exams
NP programs seem much more haphazard with rotations no where near as demanding or well organized.
Less standardization as well for credentialing....
Both programs, NP and PA, require the same amount of post-graduate education, e.g. about two years. Many NP programs are going to the doctoral level.
I've worked with some PA students in the peds office where I worked. I'm shocked that they're allowed to basically practice pediatrics after the short clinical they get, a few months. Far less than a PNP.
From my first link: "The MSN takes roughly two years to complete and can either be a generalist nursing degree or is completed in a chosen specialty (e.g., mental health, family, pediatrics). The DNP—a terminal degree that the American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) has hailed as “the future of specialty nursing education”—takes about four years to complete. ... In addition to local licensure—a breakdown of which is provided by the American Association of Nurse Practitioners (AANP)—NPs typically achieve national certification through an established entity such as the American Nurses Credentialing Center (ANCC). While prerequisites for certification vary, they typically include:
Holding a valid RN license
Having a graduate NP degree (MSN or higher) from a program accredited by the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (CCNE) or the Accreditation Commission for Education in Nursing, Inc. (ACEN)
Completing specific coursework (e.g., advanced health assessment, biostatistics, physiology & anatomy, etc.)
Showing proof of at least 500 faculty-supervised clinical hours
Passing a comprehensive exam
Paying an application or examination fee"
What the nursing industry would like and what is really happening are two different things. Absolutely some NP's are very well experienced and trained to do what they do. At the same time there are newly minted NP's who have never worked as an RN and who have had only minimal clinical hours in school.
What the nursing industry would like and what is really happening are two different things. Absolutely some NP's are very well experienced and trained to do what they do. At the same time there are newly minted NP's who have never worked as an RN and who have had only minimal clinical hours in school.
The bold is completely untrue. ALL NP programs include a practicum. Many PAs come into their programs with no patient care experience at all, as one has to have a license to do just about anything in patient care. Some may have worked in a lab or something like that. Volunteers are not usually allowed to do anything involving patient care.
Both programs, NP and PA, require the same amount of post-graduate education, e.g. about two years. Many NP programs are going to the doctoral level.
I've worked with some PA students in the peds office where I worked. I'm shocked that they're allowed to basically practice pediatrics after the short clinical they get, a few months. Far less than a PNP.
From my first link: "The MSN takes roughly two years to complete and can either be a generalist nursing degree or is completed in a chosen specialty (e.g., mental health, family, pediatrics). The DNP—a terminal degree that the American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) has hailed as “the future of specialty nursing education”—takes about four years to complete. ... In addition to local licensure—a breakdown of which is provided by the American Association of Nurse Practitioners (AANP)—NPs typically achieve national certification through an established entity such as the American Nurses Credentialing Center (ANCC). While prerequisites for certification vary, they typically include:
Holding a valid RN license
Having a graduate NP degree (MSN or higher) from a program accredited by the Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (CCNE) or the Accreditation Commission for Education in Nursing, Inc. (ACEN)
Completing specific coursework (e.g., advanced health assessment, biostatistics, physiology & anatomy, etc.) Showing proof of at least 500 faculty-supervised clinical hours
Passing a comprehensive exam
Paying an application or examination fee"
Like I stated....certification isn't standardized....
"500 faculty supervised clinical hours" pales in comparison to the number of structured hours PA students see in their second year....not to mention the vagueness of the "supervised clinical hours"
A nurse can have years of "clinical experience" in nursing....doesn't prepare them to actually perform physical exams, order and interpret lab data and x rays, generate a differential diagnosis and formulate a treatment plan...
PA students typically average about 2000 clinical hours during their training compared to 500-700 hours for NP students.
PA programs are also a much more intense and immersive 2 years than any NP program....
Two different models of training one based on nursing model the other on medical model....both produce excellent clinicians by and large
^^We could argue this far into the night, as my mom liked to say, but I like your last sentence.
I'm sorry; but I like my PA and wished that she was a fully accredited doctor because I feel she does a great job. I don't mean to argue; just give credit where credit is deserved.
I'm sorry; but I like my PA and wished that she was a fully accredited doctor because I feel she does a great job. I don't mean to argue; just give credit where credit is deserved.
I was referring to bluedevilz and his/her comparison of NP/PA education.
What the nursing industry would like and what is really happening are two different things. Absolutely some NP's are very well experienced and trained to do what they do. At the same time there are newly minted NP's who have never worked as an RN and who have had only minimal clinical hours in school.
wow, that statement really upsets me. to think some NPs have never worked as a nurse is a shocker. Our grand daughter got her BS in micro biology. then she returned to school and got another BS in nursing. afte 3 years of practicing as an RN she returned to become a NP. I guess I just assumed all NPs had similar training.
I see a NP... Quite frankly, she is more involved, seems more knowledgeable, and definitely cares about my health far more than my former doctor did.
The only problem I have with her is that you can't really call her "Doc," but I do anyway.
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