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Old 04-26-2011, 03:21 PM
 
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Don't eat legumes. "What?! Aren't beans... 'good for you'?"

Don't eat grains. "Are you serious?! What about whole grains?"

"Pasteurized Homogenized milk is horrible, but fresh raw grass fed organic milk is a whole and nutritious food."

"Eating saturated fats saturated fats from whole foods, including meat and animal products, will not make you fat. It will not give you heart disease. It will not give you cancer. Saturated fats contain a vast array of fat soluble nutrients, especially the fats of ruminant animals (animals raised on real grass pastures and fed grass and silage)."

Crazy stuff right? Where do I come up with all this?

Folks we've gotten away from the way food should be. Very, very far away. Like sheep (no pun intended), many have been fooled.

The cholesterol lipid hypothesis is false and extremely faulty.
The Diet Heart hypothesis is false and extremely faulty.

The 2 statements above have nearly EVERYTHING to do with what has happened to our food supply, especially in America.

150 years ago, we ate butter, beef, drank raw milk (since Louis Pasteur hadn't created "pasteurization" yet.). We ate vegetables from a farm. We cooked in lard, rendered beef fat, bacon fat, and butter. There was no high fructose corn syrup. There was no soybean oil, corn oil, canola oil. There was no “hydrogenated fats” (which wasn't invented until the early 1900's. There was no soda pop, which has taken huge part in the destruction of human health over the last 50 years. Why is this all important? Because 150 years ago, obesity was not a huge epidemic that it is today. Cancer was rare, not expected. The 1900's brought an unbelievable long list of new diseases, and we all forgot to realize that humans in the 1800's were the same genetically as humans in the 1900's. So what happened? Food industrialization. That's what.

Near as I can tell, this is an open forum, with a whole lotta people on it. As such, you are free to critique anything I post here, of course. So by all means folks, have at it. There are those that will see what I post here and dig deeper and find out some very interesting things about what our world has chosen to do to it's own food industry. Mostly it's heavily influenced by large companies with a lot of coin. Big bad food companies. Big "farming" operations ("farming" used quite loosely here). And there are those that will scoff at this, saying 'those guys have an agenda". "That guy sells protein powder. He must be a phony". Think what you will, but if you actually read these articles, you will see very well reasoned and very well researched writings.

Here's the deal. I am not a conspirist. I do not have some weirdo agenda. I am just a normal guy who lost both my parents at a young age. One to cancer, and the other to heart disease / type 2 diabetes.

So I began to dig in deep. I began to hunt the truth like a hungry ravenous lion would hunt a deer. What I found was a seemingly endless rabbit hole of information. I am very grateful though. I did a complete 180 on my diet, lost 13 pounds and have gained back almost 10 in pure lean muscle.

I could easily list 100 links here, but I will spare you. Here are some basics. This is not meant to be a fully comprehensive list or the 'be all end all' of human nutrition. It's a good starting point. And remember, I'm just the messenger.

A fantastic 9 part series from Chris Kresser. This is 'general' in nature, meaning that Chris covers a wide range of topics here. I give the first 3 parts here out of order on purpose. I think it's more beneficial to read in this order.

Part 2: http://thehealthyskeptic.org/9-steps-to-perfect-health-2-nourish-your-body

Part 3: http://thehealthyskeptic.org/9-steps-to-perfect-health-3-eat-real-food

Part 1: http://thehealthyskeptic.org/9-steps-to-perfect-health-1-dont-eat-toxins

mike geary on saturated fats:
http://www.truthaboutabs.com/saturated-fat-is-not-evil.html

chris masterjohn on cholesterol
http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Does-Cholesterol-Cause-Heart-Disease-Myth.html
The Daily Lipid: The Total-to-HDL Cholesterol Ratio -- What Does It Mean?

stephan guyenet on sat fats and cvd, and grains:
Whole Health Source: The Dirty Little Secret of the Diet-Heart Hypothesis
Whole Health Source: The Diet-Heart Hypothesis: Oxidized LDL, Part I
Whole Health Source: Does Dietary Saturated Fat Increase Blood Cholesterol? An Informal Review of Observational Studies
Whole Health Source: Can a Statin Neutralize the Cardiovascular Risk of Unhealthy Dietary Choices?

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2010/03/grains-as-food-update.html
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/12/gluten-sensitivity-celiac-disease-is.html
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/11/book-review-dangerous-grains.html

chris kresser on cholesterol and saturated fats and statins
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/the-hid...-about-statins
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/the-sat...y-five-seconds
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/cholest...-heart-disease
http://thehealthyskeptic.org/new-stu...disease-coffin


mark sisson on fats, oils, grains
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/mark-sisson-is-not-afraid-of-fat/
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/healthy-oils/
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

dr kurt harris on getting started
http://www.archevore.com/get-started/

dr william davis on wheat
http://www.heartscanblog.org/2010/05/blame-gluten.html
http://www.heartscanblog.org/2010/05/super-carbohydrate.html
http://www.heartscanblog.org/2010/05/in-search-of-wheat.html
http://www.heartscanblog.org/2010/10/dwarf-mutant-wheat.html

Cheers
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:49 PM
 
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In summary: Even though our modern world doesn't really resemble the Paleolithic era. Even though the vast majority of people don't get the kind of exercise required to maintain a paleolithic lifestyle. Even though we are no longer hunter/gatherers. Even though our air is toxic, we drive cars, we rely on oil, we strip our forests, and poison our food supplies...

A paleolithic diet is the only type of nutritional way of eating that is healthy for us.

Saying "there was less cancer" 150 years ago is intentional public relations snake-oil spin. The fact is, there was less DIAGNOSIS of cancer, because there were fewer, and more primitive diagnostic tools.

There was lard, but "we" most certainly didn't cook in lard. We also didn't cook in butter, and we absolutely positively would never cook in bacon fat. MY family, my ancestors, all the way back to the tribes of Israel, cooked with olive oil.

Of course, we also didn't spear our own suppers, nor did we live in caves. I suppose if I was stuck living in a cave, with no way of acquiring my supper other than killing it myself, with no understanding of how legumes have to be soaked in order to become edible, and how to FIND a cow to milk, let alone actually drink it..I'd probably be eating a paleolithic diet too.

Thankfully, I don't live in a cave, my meat comes from the butcher, my milk comes in a container, and my beans come from a can.
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:01 AM
 
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Hmmm. Not really sure what to make of your reply. It's kinda all over the place. You're quite correct that our modern world does not resemble the paleolithic era, but if the 'conveniences' of our modern world bring with it the nasties that cause terrible diseases and health issues, then I don't give a flyin leap what you or anyone else says or thinks, I will choose to avoid/fight against that idiocy as strong as I want to.

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Saying "there was less cancer" 150 years ago is intentional public relations snake-oil spin. The fact is, there was less DIAGNOSIS of cancer, because there were fewer, and more primitive diagnostic tools.
um. ok. This is pretty weird. You really think that cancer was just as prevelant 150 years ago as it is now. You must be kidding. Cancer is cell mutation. It is caused by a wide swath of factors. But among these are "environmental causes", such as the invention of cars and other machines that cause pollution. Also, a huge contributor is industrialized 'vegetable' seed oils, especially hydrogenated. Partially hydrogenated fats are extremely dangerous. Your body treats these fats like healthy fats. It doesn't 'know' that it's broken. It doesn't know that the end receptors do not function properly. These 'broken' fats wreak havoc on your body, including eventual cell mutation. Anyway this is just one single example. I could go on and on.

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There was lard, but "we" most certainly didn't cook in lard. We also didn't cook in butter, and we absolutely positively would never cook in bacon fat. MY family, my ancestors, all the way back to the tribes of Israel, cooked with olive oil.
Why do you say this? Do you really think that lard was not one of the most widely used cooking fats on earth? Fact: it was. Also, people have been cooking with bacon fat for generations. I don't know where you are getting your info, but you're incorrect. Yah sure people use Olive oil. Olive oil is decent. But I don't use it for high heat applications. It still has 15% polyunsaturated omega6 fat. That's safe enough to use for cooking, especially since it has antioxidants to protect against fat rancidity, but I usually just use EVOO for salad drizzle like a dressing. For cooking, I use only coconut oil, grass-fed ghee, or sometimes butter but rarely.

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Of course, we also didn't spear our own suppers, nor did we live in caves. I suppose if I was stuck living in a cave, with no way of acquiring my supper other than killing it myself, with no understanding of how legumes have to be soaked in order to become edible, and how to FIND a cow to milk, let alone actually drink it..I'd probably be eating a paleolithic diet too.

Thankfully, I don't live in a cave, my meat comes from the butcher, my milk comes in a container, and my beans come from a can.
Yes good points but one of the big mistakes that people make is believing that 're-enactment' of the paleolithic era is best. Malarky. We live in 2011, and most of us live in a modern society in 2011. So I understand what you're pokin at, but just because people have chosen to do things a certain way (like put beans in a tin can) doesn't make it an intelligent choice to accept. There are still other options available. They are just more expensive, and a bit less convenient. But this is LIFE. Excuses will always work so long as you are making one, and I'm not about to sit on the sideline and let other idiotic people poison humanity while I voluntarily participate. I prefer to take the bull by the horns and make smart decisions about what I choose to eat and how I choose to live.

I pay an absurd amount to eat the way I do. Our grocery bill has more than doubled since I changed to whole, real, naturally healthy foods. But you know what, that's the way it is right now. Sure I might get hit by a MAC truck tomorrow, but I am not about to let a little bit of monetary savings dictact my health while I am still able to decide. Besides, it wouldn't be all for naught anyway, because sharing what I know can help people, and it already is.

So there you have it.

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Old 04-27-2011, 09:41 AM
 
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My Way News - Number of 100-year-olds is booming in US
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Old 04-27-2011, 09:55 AM
 
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are you insinuating that since there are a lot of 100+ years olds right now, that we must be doing things correctly? if so, that's super lame.

these people were born in 1911 or earlier (obviously).

they grew up before the industrial revolution. many of them were already 'set in their ways' before the 1960s and 70s when we all decided that saturated fat is suddenly bad for you and that HFCS is a healthy sweetener.

if that is not what you are insinuating, then fine. but since you didn't specify, i made an assumption.

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Old 04-27-2011, 11:48 AM
 
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Oh my gosh, each of us sure has a way of eating that we defend strongly, don't we?

After careful study and consideration, I've devised my way of eating to follow Michael Pollan's advice:

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants,"

with the addition of eating mostly 'whole foods'--those without a long list of ingredients I cannot pronounce.

But I wish everyone else the best, whether they follow the Caveman Diet, Eating for their Blood Type or a low-carb or low-fat or high-fat diet...choose your method...and get off your duff and go exercise.

Live long and prosper.
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:19 PM
 
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Oh my gosh, each of us sure has a way of eating that we defend strongly, don't we?

After careful study and consideration, I've devised my way of eating to follow Michael Pollan's advice:

"Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants,"

with the addition of eating mostly 'whole foods'--those without a long list of ingredients I cannot pronounce.

But I wish everyone else the best, whether they follow the Caveman Diet, Eating for their Blood Type or a low-carb or low-fat or high-fat diet...choose your method...and get off your duff and go exercise.

Live long and prosper.
can't rep you so soon again but good advice!
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:22 PM
 
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they grew up before the industrial revolution.
The Industrial Revolution (1820-1870) was of great importance to the economic development of the United States.

anyway, im insinuating that people who talk about how things were so great in the past and terrible now are just being silly. you want to have these wacky ideas, but they dont really pan out in the real world. people ate differently in the 1800's, they also died younger. i think the difference is primarily the advancement of medicine. that makes a bigger difference in this not drinking pasteurized milk vs milk right out of the cow. that doesnt make a difference at all.

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Old 04-27-2011, 01:49 PM
 
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The Industrial Revolution (1820-1870) was of great importance to the economic development of the United States.

anyway, im insinuating that people who talk about how things were so great in the past and terrible now are just being silly. you want to have these wacky ideas, but they dont really pan out in the real world. people ate differently in the 1800's, they also died younger. i think the difference is primarily the advancement of medicine. that makes a bigger difference in this not drinking pasteurized milk vs milk right out of the cow. that doesnt make a difference at all.
sorry. i should have been more specific. i mean the second industrial revolution. technically, it did indeed 'start' in the late 1800's, but I was referring to specifically the roaring 20's and 30's, where the revolution actually began affecting technology in major ways, when we began to build massive skyscrapers, smaller companies became much larger companies. people moved from a business owner mentality to employee mentality. these things drastically changed the way we accessed food, and had a huge impact on farming and small businesses. anyway i am not trying to be preachy or dogmatic. i am simply pointing out that we have gotten woefully off course with what we are taught to eat in this country. when I was growing up, my mom always stocked our fridge with nasty margarine. she used crisco to cook. she bought low fat meats. low fat cheese. low fat milk. well, my mom was wrong. love her forever. she thought she was doing right, but she was misled.

i am only trying to help. like i said above, i will be a voice. many will not agree. i am not saying eat chunks of fat all day long. i am not saying eat a 100% all meat diet. i eat large, diverse salads regularly. i eat fruits and vegetables all the time.

what I am saying is: watch the ingredients you ingest. eat whole, nutrient dense, healthy foods free of silly manmade garbage. single ingredient foods are king. keep the sugar content low, particularly fructose. do not fear saturated fats from healthy sources and do not eat manmade seed derived oils because the high content of unstable omega6 is inflammatory in the body.

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