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Old 11-16-2011, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Knoxville, Tennessee
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But, is that so easy? No. Why? Because once the alcoholic puts down the booze, their problems really start. They need to find a sufficient substitute to the booze.

If one could measure the state of consciousness that a drunk gets from booze, you might better understand. It takes them up to a state of bliss that's hard to achieve on this here world. That natural high is there, but very elusive and hard to obtain, much less hold onto.
I think that you and me can agree that once the drinker picks up a drink his problems start and not when he puts it down. At least I hope so.

Yes, for awhile there is that euphoria but it doesn't last. The person comes crashing down. Perhaps they get into a fight, vomit or do both. Maybe they drive drunk and get into an accident or get arrested. Maybe nothing happens except they pass out. But assuredly they feel horrific the next day. And they may have to deal with fallout from the night before. There is often shame or guilt.

So the problems start when the pick up the drink. Put the drink down and there are less problems. Granted, there are still problems. That's life. But getting blotto solves none of them. Stay sober long enough and you will start to learn how to experience sheer bliss from just living.

That's the thing about life. It may have incredible lows but without them there would be no incredible highs. Medicating with alcohol or other substances takes both away but only the lows for a certain amount of time. It only holds off the inevitable until the world comes crashing in and if they have a drinking or drugging problem the lows are only made worse.
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:08 PM
 
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My mother was an alcoholic who drank bourbon rocks from 5 PM til she passed out - every single day. Minimum of three fifths a week.

Once she called AA from a phone number she found on the bulletin board at the deli She told the man who answered that she thought that she might possibly be an alcoholic. He told her to call back when she was sure and hung up. That's all she needed to be convinced that alcoholics are nicer than Alcoholics Anonymous and she kept on drinking.
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Old 11-16-2011, 12:23 PM
 
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My mother was an alcoholic who drank bourbon rocks from 5 PM til she passed out - every single day. Minimum of three fifths a week.

Once she called AA from a phone number she found on the bulletin board at the deli She told the man who answered that she thought that she might possibly be an alcoholic. He told her to call back when she was sure and hung up. That's all she needed to be convinced that alcoholics are nicer than Alcoholics Anonymous and she kept on drinking.
One of my biggest issues with AA is that it is run by the inmates. Lots of issues like that can come out of it. Of course not all the time, by any means, and there are professionals that do a poor job of handling situations in any industry. But there are no set rules, people can run around saying what they want and everything goes unchecked.

I know someone that would consistently get stood up by their sponsor. Another sponsor thought her boyfriend liked her sponsee so she became catty and dumped her. And there is no place to turn, no one you can call, file a grievance, nothing. You are out on your own trying to find another sponsor. Talk to their sponsor and you will get a shrug of the shoulders. Far too much drama and dysfunction, nothing is professionally handled. That's just the way it is set up. After awhile you realize that it might be a better idea to get some new friends and move on with your life. There are plenty of people in this world that don't base their entire life around drinking or not drinking.
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Old 11-16-2011, 01:32 PM
 
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Two things about the above.

1) I dont agree that AA is run by inmates, probably lots of them but nah I could not say that wholly it is.
2) I think the point about the phone call was, hey when you are ready to admit that you are an alcoholic come to us. AA will take anyone there is no secret to that. Even if you are addicted to MJ they will take you.

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IME, alcohol, heroin, porn, sex, coke, tv, internet, video games, love, painting, exercise, being nice...

can all be addictions, and whether they are positive or negative depends on the activity.

I read the book Infinite Jest and after that I really understood addiction at its base and not just on a per case basis such as (alcohol addiction vs benzo addiction vs fitness addiction).

It is human condition 101 - we all have a little black hole that needs to be fulfilled and we can not trick ourselves into thinking it is filled. IT takes hard work to fill it and then it is only temporary.

My pops retired at 40, sat around for about one year and then had a heart attack. Couldnt take it. Since then he has taken up smoking cigarettes, quit exercising, began drinking more, and he eats rather unhealthy.

Re specifically alcohol and other drugs or TV or sex or whatever INSTANT GRATIFICATION: it fills the hole, then comes the pain

the opposite is the natural way: pain THEN gain.
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:03 PM
 
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Two things about the above.

1) I dont agree that AA is run by inmates, probably lots of them but nah I could not say that wholly it is.
I don't mean that literally there are inmates running AA. It's an expression as in "the inmates are running the asylum."

There are a lot of ex-cons in AA, though.
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Old 11-17-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Just to clarify: My post about my Mother and the AA phone call was not meant to disrespect AA. Actually, I think the guy was right to hang up after telling her to call back when she was sure.

A person who is "beginning to think that there may be a possibility that I'm an alcoholic" is not seriously looking for help. Especially when they drink that much liquor a week and are incoherent by the 11 o'clock news every night.

My addiction was nicotine. I was able to give it up. I have always feared becoming an alcoholic since the common thinking is that it's an inherited gene. So far, I have avoided addiction except for cookies. God, I love cookies.

I do think most addicts refuse to admit that they have lost control. But I don't think they really believe it themselves. JMO
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:24 PM
 
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Just to clarify: My post about my Mother and the AA phone call was not meant to disrespect AA. Actually, I think the guy was right to hang up after telling her to call back when she was sure.

A person who is "beginning to think that there may be a possibility that I'm an alcoholic" is not seriously looking for help. Especially when they drink that much liquor a week and are incoherent by the 11 o'clock news every night.
I agree. That goes back to not being able to quit until you actually want to.
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:38 PM
 
Location: PORT ANGELES, WA
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Really good topic, and replys!

No one mentioned the addict not wanting to admit failure.. that is a hard thing to come to terms with. admitting wrongdoing and being the cause of problems...

oops, theatergypsy did..

Last edited by KAILANI; 11-17-2011 at 01:40 PM.. Reason: add more
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:12 PM
 
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Really good topic, and replys!

No one mentioned the addict not wanting to admit failure.. that is a hard thing to come to terms with. admitting wrongdoing and being the cause of problems...

oops, theatergypsy did..
I agree. There is also the possibility that people keep drinking because they simply like it. And, contrary to the knowledge that it may be harming them or others they simply do not care. In cases like this you sometimes gotta just walk/run away from that person for your own benefit. Sometimes you gotta live and let die.
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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I don't mean that literally there are inmates running AA. It's an expression as in "the inmates are running the asylum."

There are a lot of ex-cons in AA, though.
good call.

I got in a car wreck when i was about a sophomore in high school , maybe junior.

I had to go to AA and what snapped me back to reality was these people...

I saw them and they were making it for sure, they were no longer fiends, but what they lacked IME and at my age what i saw was the zest...they had no love for life..every day it was just...1 one more day im not using...tomorrow is 2.....etc.etc.etc.etc.et.c.de.c.e.e..ce.

I just wanted to leave it all behind and not ever look back. Plus some of the dudes were kinda creepy asking me for rides and stuff i think they were the Sandusky types.
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