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Old 05-20-2013, 10:24 AM
 
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Measles surges in UK years after vaccine scare - Vitals

Interesting article. Thoughts?
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Old 05-20-2013, 01:35 PM
 
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Another scare tactic to sell more vaccines is all....What they won't admit about measles outbreaks: Most children who catch measles were already vaccinated
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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And yet another useless "reference" from a scaremongering anti vaccine website written apparently by someone with less than a 6th grade understanding of basic biology.....
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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Article clearly shows what happens when necessary childhood vaccines are not given, the cost can be quite high....

From the article...."Globally, though, measles is still one of the leading causes of death in children under 5 and kills more than 150,000 people every year, mostly in developing countries."

Clearly, MMR saves lives.....
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Old 05-20-2013, 07:52 PM
 
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Repeating a myth does not make it true:

Vaccines: Vac-Gen/Some Misconceptions

"In a high school of 1,000 students, none has ever had measles. All but 5 of the students have had two doses of measles vaccine, and so are fully immunized. The entire student body is exposed to measles, and every susceptible student becomes infected. The 5 unvaccinated students will be infected, of course. But of the 995 who have been vaccinated, we would expect several not to respond to the vaccine. The efficacy rate for two doses of measles vaccine can be higher than 99%. In this class, 7 students do not respond, and they, too, become infected. Therefore 7 of 12, or about 58%, of the cases occur in students who have been fully vaccinated.

As you can see, this doesn't prove the vaccine didn't work - only that most of the children in the class had been vaccinated, so those who were vaccinated and did not respond outnumbered those who had not been vaccinated. Looking at it another way, 100% of the children who had not been vaccinated got measles, compared with less than 1% of those who had been vaccinated. Measles vaccine protected most of the class; if nobody in the class had been vaccinated, there would probably have been 1,000 cases of measles."

In other words, if you do not take the vaccine and you are exposed to measles, the chance of getting it is about 100%. If you take the vaccine, it is less than 1% --- a hundred fold difference.

The argument that "the majority of people who get sick during an epidemic have been immunized" ignores the fact that the majority of people who do not get sick have been immunized.
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Old 05-21-2013, 01:12 AM
 
Location: Bucks, UK
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measles is an easily preventable disease - its unbelievable that, in 2013, such a preventable disease can be the result of a public health emergency (which is what this recent situation is).

suzy has the major point sewn up, but its worth also considering that in the recent outbreak in england this year 18% of cases required hospital admission, and among those, the threat of further complications, disability or death are real.

why would we take such a risk with our children?
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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why would we take such a risk with our children?
Maybe because for some, the "risk" of contracting measles and recovering, beats the risk of developing autism for life.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:19 AM
 
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And yet another useless "reference" from a scaremongering anti vaccine website written apparently by someone with less than a 6th grade understanding of basic biology.....
Try not to confuse other peoples education with your own.
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Old 05-21-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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That would make sense if the risk of the vaccine outweighed the risk of measles and it's complications...which it doesn't.

The point about measles is that while most people recover, a small but very important proportion will never recover...not even remotely.

Many years from now, when people look back on this whole, sorry, incident, people will wonder why urban myth and folklore outweighed science with such tragic consequences.
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Old 05-21-2013, 12:08 PM
 
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Maybe because for some, the "risk" of contracting measles and recovering, beats the risk of developing autism for life.
Since measles vaccine does not cause autism, you can stop worrying about it.
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