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Old 09-08-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Originally Posted by bluedevilz View Post
Sorry your husband has had complications from what is typically a very safe procedure but you are way off base here.

There is NO WHERE NEAR a 33% complication rate for vasectomy. There are NOT huge numbers of men who suffer problems after vasectomy and the complication rate for ALL complications is around the 5% you are quoted THAT is the reality.

Vasectomy is a very delicate surgery, with a fair chance of complications. If a man wants to have it done, he should go to the most highly trained and experienced urologist that he can find and can afford.

The matter has been studied, and vasectomized patients have a lot higher incidence of a number of disorders as opposed to others.

Accoding to those who have looked into the matter at dontfixit.org, you face a significantly higher risk of several disorders including these listed below.



Adrenal gland dysfunction
· Atheosclerosis (hardening of the arteries leading to heart disease)
· Autoimmune orchitis (degeneration of testicular tissues due to antibody action)
· Chronic inflammation including the formation of sperm granulomas
· Chronic testicular pain (Post-Vasectomy Pain Syndrome)
· Circulatory problems including phlebitis
· Congestive and infectious epididymitis
· Decreased testicular function including changes in testosterone production
· Diabetes
· Erectile dysfunction/impotence
· Gangrene of the ******* and other serious infections
· Generalized lymph node enlargement
· Hypoglycemia
· Life-long autoimmune (allergic) responses
· Liver dysfunction
· Loss of libido
· Lung cancer
· Lupus
· Migraine and other related headaches
· Multiple myeloma
· Multiple sclerosis
· Narcolepsy
· Neuropathy (nerve pain and damage)
· Non-Hodgkins lymphoma
· Personality disturbances
· Prostate cancer
· Prostatitis
· Pulmonary embolism
· Rheumatoid arthritis
· Scrotal and epididymal cyst formation including Spermatocele and Hydrocele cysts
· Staph infections including infections of the heart valves
· Testicular atrophy (shrinking of the testicles)
· Testicular cancer
· Urolithiasis (kidney stones).
· Vasitis nodosa (chronic inflammation of the vas deferens)
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Old 09-09-2014, 05:02 AM
 
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Vasectomy is a very delicate surgery, with a fair chance of complications. If a man wants to have it done, he should go to the most highly trained and experienced urologist that he can find and can afford.

The matter has been studied, and vasectomized patients have a lot higher incidence of a number of disorders as opposed to others.

Accoding to those who have looked into the matter at dontfixit.org, you face a significantly higher risk of several disorders including these listed below.



Adrenal gland dysfunction
· Atheosclerosis (hardening of the arteries leading to heart disease)
· Autoimmune orchitis (degeneration of testicular tissues due to antibody action)
· Chronic inflammation including the formation of sperm granulomas
· Chronic testicular pain (Post-Vasectomy Pain Syndrome)
· Circulatory problems including phlebitis
· Congestive and infectious epididymitis
· Decreased testicular function including changes in testosterone production
· Diabetes
· Erectile dysfunction/impotence
· Gangrene of the ******* and other serious infections
· Generalized lymph node enlargement
· Hypoglycemia
· Life-long autoimmune (allergic) responses
· Liver dysfunction
· Loss of libido
· Lung cancer
· Lupus
· Migraine and other related headaches
· Multiple myeloma
· Multiple sclerosis
· Narcolepsy
· Neuropathy (nerve pain and damage)
· Non-Hodgkins lymphoma
· Personality disturbances
· Prostate cancer
· Prostatitis
· Pulmonary embolism
· Rheumatoid arthritis
· Scrotal and epididymal cyst formation including Spermatocele and Hydrocele cysts
· Staph infections including infections of the heart valves
· Testicular atrophy (shrinking of the testicles)
· Testicular cancer
· Urolithiasis (kidney stones).
· Vasitis nodosa (chronic inflammation of the vas deferens)


This "highly delicate surgery" takes less than 15 minutes, requires no more than local anesthesia and is typically done in the office...

Dontfixit.org is a website run by a disgruntled patient who had a bad outcome it isn't "by those who have studied it"

The list of disorders from said website is a joke...diabetes, liver dysfunction, lung cancer????

Please....

As I said, people who have had complications will be more vocal than those who haven't, doesn't change the incidence of complications which is less than 10%

Try and find an actual "study" that backs your misguided opinion
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Old 09-09-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Please....

As I said, people who have had complications will be more vocal than those who haven't, doesn't change the incidence of complications which is less than 10%

Try and find an actual "study" that backs your misguided opinion

Even a 10% chance of serious complications is something to be concerned about with a totally elective surgery.

Can't turn on the TV for more than 10 minutes without seeing an ad from viagra or one of its competitors- how much of this new demand is due to the popularity of vasectomy?

BTW, glad to see that your surgery worked out, but that doesn't mean that plenty of other people don't have problems. I doubt that I'd ever have this, I'm 58, but if I were I'd go to the Cleveland Clinic and wouldn't mess around.
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Old 09-09-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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Well...i sure wont be getting one after reading this thread!
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Old 09-09-2014, 03:41 PM
 
Location: DFW/Texas
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Do your research, people, that's all I can say. I've been talking to several nurses and a few doctors in the past few days and even some of them admitted that the rate of complications is often higher than the traditionally touted "2-5%". What happens is that many, many men don't report it or don't get it treated because, let's get real here, what man wants to talk about his junk that hurts like hell? Not many. Trusting the medical community to put out completely accurate study results isn't the best way to go, that's for sure.

And where did anything get said about how "no one's reported a death from a vasectomy" so therefore the procedure is just fine? Just because it's done in an office (and it does NOT take only 15 minutes, if your doctor gets it done that fast then he's a quack) under locals does NOT mean that serious complications cannot arise.

My husband has 2 appointments set up with great doctors and if they don't work out, we have the option of a third one, too. The last doctor doesn't accept insurance because he deals with things that insurance companies consider to be elective and he costs a buttload of money but I don't care- it's all worth it to me.
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:05 PM
 
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Even a 10% chance of serious complications is something to be concerned about with a totally elective surgery.

Can't turn on the TV for more than 10 minutes without seeing an ad from viagra or one of its competitors- how much of this new demand is due to the popularity of vasectomy?

BTW, glad to see that your surgery worked out, but that doesn't mean that plenty of other people don't have problems. I doubt that I'd ever have this, I'm 58, but if I were I'd go to the Cleveland Clinic and wouldn't mess around.
Never said 10% risk of SERIOUS complications, the risk of a serious complication is much, much lower

Viagra has NOTHING to do with vasectomies
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Old 09-09-2014, 06:23 PM
 
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Do your research, people, that's all I can say. I've been talking to several nurses and a few doctors in the past few days and even some of them admitted that the rate of complications is often higher than the traditionally touted "2-5%". What happens is that many, many men don't report it or don't get it treated because, let's get real here, what man wants to talk about his junk that hurts like hell? Not many. Trusting the medical community to put out completely accurate study results isn't the best way to go, that's for sure.

And where did anything get said about how "no one's reported a death from a vasectomy" so therefore the procedure is just fine? Just because it's done in an office (and it does NOT take only 15 minutes, if your doctor gets it done that fast then he's a quack) under locals does NOT mean that serious complications cannot arise.

My husband has 2 appointments set up with great doctors and if they don't work out, we have the option of a third one, too. The last doctor doesn't accept insurance because he deals with things that insurance companies consider to be elective and he costs a buttload of money but I don't care- it's all worth it to me.
Wrong, if the surgery takes LONGER than 15-30 minutes your surgeon is a quack...

There is an old maxim in surgery that is very true...no such thing as "good" slow surgery....

An experienced urologist should be able to do a routine vasectomy in under 30 minutes EASY

Taking one's "time" in surgery exposes patient to higher risk of infection, increased soft tissue trauma, increased blood loss...efficiency and speed in surgery is desirable

Look, I hope your husband gets the help he needs and his problem can be addressed and hopefully fixed, but it does a great disservice to demonize and artificially inflate the risks of a very safe and effective means of birth control.

Already one poster has stated "I won't ever be having that done now" If that leads to an unwanted pregnancy later in life or pressure on his significant other to undergo a significantly MORE dangerous procedure like tubal ligation then this thread has already done harm

THAT is the reason I am taking up the cause here but I wish you and yours the best....
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Old 12-25-2014, 11:04 PM
 
Location: Michigan
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Worst mistake I ever made back in 1998 was getting a vasectomy.

I had Blue Care Network at the time, and they did "stack'em and wack'em" surgery to their customers. They get together all the people that want it, and do all their surgeries on the same day. I ended up with a major infection, TWO hernias due to improper cutting through each side (just had one hernia on the right side fixed the end of 2012 (when my right testicle came out and got entrapped), permanent nerve damage (no (dull) feeling) and permanent ED. Oh, and now I wait for the left side to get bad enough to require surgery with mesh.

I was unable to sue them because they are protected by Michigan law. You actually have to petition the Michigan government board for permission to sue, which is never granted.

It's not easy to talk about it to people. Quite a few (such as bluedevilz) will basically call you a liar and say all that can't happen "for such simple surgery". But it can and it does, and to more men then you'd think, who learn quickly to keep their mouths shut. Also that in cases extreme as mine, there's no real fixes to put you back the way you were, or that any of the meds made to do so, can't make you stand at attention. Ruined with 40+ years of life left.

I really only tell others anymore when they say they are about to get one, and I just explain what happened to me.

Surgery is surgery, regardless of how simple one is over another. People can and do have complications for whatever reason, and you take your chances every time. MANY men have few issues, but I believe there's many men that have issues, and keep their mouths shut. My doctors back then didn't want to hear it, and wouldn't do anything to help beyond checking it, giving me an antibiotic, and telling me I'd eventually be fine.
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Old 12-26-2014, 06:59 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Never said 10% risk of SERIOUS complications, the risk of a serious complication is much, much lower

Viagra has NOTHING to do with vasectomies
Viagra is a treatment for ED, which is one of the possible complications associated with vasectomy.
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Old 12-26-2014, 02:13 PM
 
Location: DFW/Texas
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Update: My husband has seen 2 great doctors and was given a different round of antibiotics and closely monitored. They seemed to work and things have been better but he still has pain at times during arousal and intercourse. At this time my husband just wants to be left alone, as he is tired of being poked and prodded.

"Serious" complications are what the doctors will tell you fall into the 2-5% chance range. The 2 doctors my husband saw BOTH said that the rate for other complications is as high as 33%- the medical community does not consider chronic pain after a vasectomy as a "serious" complication, which is utter bulls^&t.
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