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[quote=markg91359;37205910]But Gardasil is not risky. The evidence coming back shows its very safe indeed. Did you bother to look this up before forming your conclusion? Or did you just decide "on your own" that it had to be risky?
I hope you never get a serious case of the flu. Influenza is responsible for 36,000 deaths annually in this country and 500,000 deaths worldwide. It is not a joke. It is not a mild illness for many people.
Why not? Did you know that about 4,000 people die every year in this country from cervical cancer? The vaccine is 70% effective and this means we have the potential to stop 2,800 of those deaths. You can't watch your teenage daughters every second of every day. The vaccination can give them some protection while you are not around.
Wooden plows work, but most farmers today use tractors. Its very likely you have avoided getting most flu because others are vaccinated and you are benefiting from the herd immunity that has been created.[/quote
Did you read my post? I worked up close and personal with little children with the flu. Well, if THEY got their flu shots, it certainly did not work for them, so how was I prevented from catching the flu from THEM?
Did you read my post? I worked up close and personal with little children with the flu. Well, if THEY got their flu shots, it certainly did not work for them, so how was I prevented from catching the flu from THEM?
It is difficult to control for confounding in the over 65 age group because people in that group tend to have other medical problems. There is also the possibility that healthy people may choose to be vaccinated.
Both of the studies are ten years old and do not reflect the use of the newer high dose vaccine in this age group.
The real question is whether vaccination prevents severe illness, as represented by ICU admissions and deaths, in all age groups. The experience in California in the 2013 - 2014 flu season for those under 65 years old suggests it does.
"Only six (21%) of 28 decedents whose vaccination status was known had documentation of receipt of 2013–14 seasonal influenza vaccine ≥2 weeks before symptom onset."
"Receipt of the 2010–2011 seasonal influenza vaccine was associated with a 42% (95% confidence interval, 29%–53%) reduction in laboratory-confirmed influenza hospitalizations. Vaccine effectiveness estimates were consistent across age groups, by sex, and regardless of outcome severity, timing of testing, and when considering individuals vaccinated <7 or <14 days prior to admission as unvaccinated."
"Between 2010 and 2012, U.S. researchers examined data on some 45 children who were admitted to 21 pediatric ICUs with confirmed influenza, 170 ICU controls without influenza, and 90 community-based controls.
Vaccination coverage was low, with just 18% of influenza cases, 31% of ICU controls, and 51% of community controls fully vaccinated. In adjusted analyses, full vaccination was 74% to 82% effective in preventing influenza-related ICU admission. Partial vaccination coverage provided no benefit."
Ask any infectious disease expert and he will tell you he does not care if you get the flu and miss work or school for a few days. He just does not want you in his ICU.
Why not? Did you know that about 4,000 people die every year in this country from cervical cancer? The vaccine is 70% effective and this means we have the potential to stop 2,800 of those deaths. You can't watch your teenage daughters every second of every day. The vaccination can give them some protection while you are not around.
It's actually even better than that, Mark, even if only one dose is received:
"Cases of certain HPV strains have plunged 56 percent among females 14 years old to 19 years old since the first vaccine, Merck & Co. (MRK)’s Gardasil, was introduced in 2006, according to an article yesterday in the Journal of Infectious Diseases. The shot is 82 percent effective against the virus that can cause cervical cancer if at least one of the three doses is given."
Did you read my post? I worked up close and personal with little children with the flu. Well, if THEY got their flu shots, it certainly did not work for them, so how was I prevented from catching the flu from THEM?
Not everyone who is exposed to the flu catches it. That does not mean they will never get it. It may mean you have just been lucky.
It also may mean you have some genetic gift that makes you naturally resistant to influenza, which is a topic of current research.
Or, you may have been infected with one or more influenza viruses in the past and had only a mild illness, more like a cold.
None of that means that flu vaccine is not safe or effective, and your personal experience does not mean no one needs to take the vaccine. Other people do get the flu, and for some the illness is severe and potentially fatal.
Why not? Did you know that about 4,000 people die every year in this country from cervical cancer? The vaccine is 70% effective and this means we have the potential to stop 2,800 of those deaths. You can't watch your teenage daughters every second of every day. The vaccination can give them some protection while you are not around.
The vaccine only covers a small handful of HPV strains. Pap smears have proven to be a very effective tool at preventing cervical cancer. The vaccine has come with serious reactions for some. I know that many who are pro vaccine choose to ignore these stories but I choose to take them into consideration. I will focus on condoms (which I know are not totally effective when it comes to HPV) and regular pap smears. It's not worth the slightly decreased chance of them contracting cervical cancer from HPV to get the vaccine, considering some of the stories we have heard. You can disagree with my decision but don't badger me about it. You will not change my mind.
I got the flu shot once in my life. I got the flu 2 days afterwards that incapacitated me for 2 weeks. I couldn't get out of bed without falling over, constant muscle soreness, and a fever that ranged from 101 to 104. Was probably more than that but can't remember much because I was passed out for 80% of that. No thanks. Never again. I never had the flu prior to that, and now I get it every other year. At least those only last 2 or 3 days. And don't tell me it was just "flu like symptoms," 2 weeks of being bedridden qualifies as full blown flu.
. There is also the possibility that healthy people may choose to be vaccinated.
This is important thing to note for sure. The studies are all over the place unfortunately. I think there are still a lot of unknowns in regards to flu shot efficacy. People can decide for themselves if they wish to get it or not. For me personally, I just don't see any need. I respect people's right to make choices for their families in regards to their medical care that make the most sense for them.
I got the flu shot once in my life. I got the flu 2 days afterwards that incapacitated me for 2 weeks. I couldn't get out of bed without falling over, constant muscle soreness, and a fever that ranged from 101 to 104. Was probably more than that but can't remember much because I was passed out for 80% of that. No thanks. Never again. I never had the flu prior to that, and now I get it every other year. At least those only last 2 or 3 days. And don't tell me it was just "flu like symptoms," 2 weeks of being bedridden qualifies as full blown flu.
The problem with what you are saying is that its impossible to get the flu from the flu shot. The flu shot is made from inactivated virus that is incapable of reproducing and causing the flu. Take a look at the link below from the CDC and read the section on "Can I get the flu from the influenza vaccine?"
What is very likely is that you were exposed to the flu right before you had your vaccination. The virus goes through an "incubation period" in your body that may last a week until you develop any symptoms. It takes two or three weeks for your system to build up enough antibodies after receiving the influenza shot, to prevent influenza. Another possibility is that you were exposed to a strain of flu that the immunization could not prevent.
I say jokingly to anyone: If you got the flu from an influenza shot than you better call the CDC right away. They'd like to know that you caught the flu from the flu shot. You'd be the first case.
I got the flu shot once in my life. I got the flu 2 days afterwards that incapacitated me for 2 weeks. I couldn't get out of bed without falling over, constant muscle soreness, and a fever that ranged from 101 to 104. Was probably more than that but can't remember much because I was passed out for 80% of that. No thanks. Never again. I never had the flu prior to that, and now I get it every other year. At least those only last 2 or 3 days. And don't tell me it was just "flu like symptoms," 2 weeks of being bedridden qualifies as full blown flu.
It takes 2 weeks after the flu vaccine for your immunity to come up.
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