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What I like about people who avoid flu shots is that they will eventually come down with the flu, catch pneumonia and die. I would be opposed to euthanasia for the elderly, but these folks are volunteering. That is very nice of them.
What I like about people who avoid flu shots is that they will eventually come down with the flu, catch pneumonia and die. I would be opposed to euthanasia for the elderly, but these folks are volunteering. That is very nice of them.
There is no proof that getting the flu vaccine decreases your risk of dying from complication from the flu. The flu vaccine has not proved to be very effective in the population that is most at risk, which is seniors.
The CDC, besides the high dosage flu shot, also wants Seniors to get a pneumonia shot severy year too. So if the flu shot doesn't work, you won't get pneumonia in addition????? lol
Yes, it is rare. It sounds like the uncle was the rare person who came down with it after getting the vaccine. It happens.
But why must vaccines be 100% safe when no activity in life is?
Driving a car isn't a 100% safe.
Walking isn't a 100% safe.
Eating food at a restaurant or at home isn't 100% safe.
The point is that everything you do in life involves a calculation of risk vs. benefit. Vaccines in the United States are subjected to rigorous testing and must win approval from the FDA before they can marketed to the public. The CDC than issues guidelines to physicians and the medical community as to how those vaccines should be used.
If that's not good enough for you, I cannot imagine any precautions that would satisfy you.
There is no proof that getting the flu vaccine decreases your risk of dying from complication from the flu. The flu vaccine has not proved to be very effective in the population that is most at risk, which is seniors.
Not true. A study in the Netherlands confirmed it had a 58% efficacy rate among those 65 and older.
But why must vaccines be 100% safe when no activity in life is?
Driving a car isn't a 100% safe.
Walking isn't a 100% safe.
Eating food at a restaurant or at home isn't 100% safe.
The point is that everything you do in life involves a calculation of risk vs. benefit. Vaccines in the United States are subjected to rigorous testing and must win approval from the FDA before they can marketed to the public. The CDC than issues guidelines to physicians and the medical community as to how those vaccines should be used.
If that's not good enough for you, I cannot imagine any precautions that would satisfy you.
I never said anything like that. You are choosing to infer a lot from my post which was nothing more then a factual statement.
I actually wasn't aware of this being in the news, thanks. However, I was very perturbed indeed when Gardasil, which was a very new drug, was proposed to be used on all girls. That seems wildly risky to me, and almost the basis for a disaster movie.
I stopped getting flu shots ages ago, when I realized that I never got the flu.
But Gardasil is not risky. The evidence coming back shows its very safe indeed. Did you bother to look this up before forming your conclusion? Or did you just decide "on your own" that it had to be risky?
I hope you never get a serious case of the flu. Influenza is responsible for 36,000 deaths annually in this country and 500,000 deaths worldwide. It is not a joke. It is not a mild illness for many people.
Technically there is only a very small risk of complications if you get the flu. People can choose which risk makes more sense to them. Some prefer the risk from the vaccine, others prefer the risks that come with the flu. Also, the flu vaccine is supposedly only around 60% effective so even if you get the vaccine, you may still get the flu.
I don't get flu vaccines. I haven't had the flu in over 30 years. If I get the flu then I get the flu and I will take elderberry syrup and other things to support my immune system so that my body can fight it.
The statistics I cited above indicate that 36,000 people in America die every year from the influenza. This is approximately the same number that die in motor vehicle accidents. Do you regard that as a small number?
I have daughters and they will not be getting the Gardisil shot.
Why not? Did you know that about 4,000 people die every year in this country from cervical cancer? The vaccine is 70% effective and this means we have the potential to stop 2,800 of those deaths. You can't watch your teenage daughters every second of every day. The vaccination can give them some protection while you are not around.
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If it ain't broke, don't try to fix it. That is MY motto as a Senior.
Wooden plows work, but most farmers today use tractors. Its very likely you have avoided getting most flu because others are vaccinated and you are benefiting from the herd immunity that has been created.
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But why must vaccines be 100% safe when no activity in life is?
Driving a car isn't a 100% safe.
Walking isn't a 100% safe.
Eating food at a restaurant or at home isn't 100% safe.
The point is that everything you do in life involves a calculation of risk vs. benefit. Vaccines in the United States are subjected to rigorous testing and must win approval from the FDA before they can marketed to the public. The CDC than issues guidelines to physicians and the medical community as to how those vaccines should be used.
If that's not good enough for you, I cannot imagine any precautions that would satisfy you.
This. I was writing a post, digging up the risk percentages, but you got there first and said it probably better.
If you're choosing not to get a vaccine because it's not 100% safe, there's a whole heck of a lot of other things that you need to be worrying MORE about than vaccines! Things you no doubt do without even thinking about them every day.
Never mind the fact that getting the flu is many many many times more likely to kill you than the vaccine is.
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