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Old 04-20-2016, 02:02 PM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly View Post
That's what they do in porno films ... it must be true!

There is no sperm in pre-ejaculate. That's something that we were taught as kids. It's a scare tactic that increases the use of condoms, which is a actually a good thing for young people. The truth is that purpose of this fluid is to flush out the penis. It CAN bring sperm left in the penis from the last ejaculation to the tip of the penis, but only if urination hasn't taken place since the last ejaculation.

What does this mean? Basically, you pretty much can't get a woman pregnant using the withdrawal method if you have gone pee since the last time you have ejaculated. People that get pregnant using this method get pregnant because the male is inexperienced and hasn't learned to control his climax yet, the male secretly wanted to get the female pregnant, or the couple is having sex multiple times a day like a lot of teens do, and the guy hasn't flushed his pipe since the last time he had sex or masturbated.

My wife and I used this method for 11 years. When we finally decided to have a child, we were pregnant in weeks. While condoms are effective, they make sex awful for a lot of people, and hormonal birth control can have devastating effect on a lot of women. We decided not to use those methods for those very reasons. Add to this, my wife is a nurse and here sister is a doctor, so she was well educated in what's fact or fiction in this area. This is obviously not good advice to tell teens because let's face it, most teens are irresponsible and too inexperienced at sex to use this method much like the rhythm method. Teens are also at a much greater risk for STI's too. This means that we should be grinding into their little heads to always use condoms.

With all that being said, correctly using the withdrawal method with spermicidal lubricant is actually more effective than the pill and is dead even with correct use of condoms in regards to preventing pregnancy. I would only recommend this method to those that are experience with sex and in monogamous long term relationships, due to the fact that one is still at risk for STI's.

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Old 04-20-2016, 02:09 PM
 
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I was never taught it "was easy" I was taught it "only takes one time"
Huge difference in philosophy their.

I also grew up outside of the USA though, so this may be a factor.
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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Mod cut: Orphaned (quoted post has been deleted).

Contracting HIV through vaginal sex in the first world is statistically a low risk unless you're sleeping with prostitutes or IV drug users. Only someone that is bad at math could argue this.

Also, nobody said anything about not wearing condoms. Even if it is a 1 in 10,000 chance, people having sex outside of monogamous relationships should always practice safe sex.

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Old 04-20-2016, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Southern California
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I think it's probably fairly easy to get an STD, yes. I mean since these require a host, if they weren't readily transferable to a new host they would surely die out.

I mean the CDC states there are close to 20 million new STI (sexually transmitted infection) cases DXd each year in the U.S. alone...that's a lot of cases. That's what, like 1/6 of the adult population? Something like that? (Math has always been tricky for me...)

Worldwide = 499 million. These are reported cases, remember, not estimates.

Granted the umbrella for STDs as a whole is pretty large...there are a lot of them...but still, they're all STDs so is it easy to contract one of them? Or more? It would seem the answer would be, well, not jumping through hoops difficulty factor, anyway. And no, these can't all be irresponsible sexually immoral hookers and studs, these are people all across the world, all different walks of life, all different (adult) ages, all different situations, incomes and so on.

Now can you put the odds in your favor with certain caretaking/preventive methods? Well, obviously, to varying extents. I can see those being argued here like crazy so I won't step into that, it's already being gone over.
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:31 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Let's not forget Hepatitis C, which can be contracted through sexual activity. You don't want to get Hep C.

Liver transplant, anyone?
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Old 04-20-2016, 02:45 PM
 
Location: Prescott Arizona
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Let's not forget Hepatitis C, which can be contracted through sexual activity. You don't want to get Hep C.

Liver transplant, anyone?
I think a lot of people forget about this one. It might just be the worst one these days. It could be argued that in 2016 Hep C is worse than HIV.
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Old 04-20-2016, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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we were conditioned by the tv, school and of course our family's that you should not be with multiple partners because you will catch herpes, hiv, ect. but in your experience in life, do you find that to be true ?
The answer to your question is more complicated than a mere yes or no. It depends on many different variables. The "it only takes one time" is a more sensible way of looking at it, particularly for the more serious and incurable diseases. Protect yourself, act responsibly and choose your partners wisely...and you'll minimize the risk.

Also, keep in mind that many media, schools, businesses, governments and parents deliberately and strategically exaggerate (or even resort to outright FUD) on certain subjects in an attempt to more effectively convey to someone (especially a kid or a young adult because they're more impressionable) that "this is bad, don't do it" or "avoid that, it'll cause all these disasters...choose this instead" or whatever. It's often a part of indoctrination.
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Old 04-20-2016, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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There is no sperm in pre-ejaculate. That's something that we were taught as kids. It's a scare tactic that increases the use of condoms, which is a actually a good thing for young people. The truth is that purpose of this fluid is to flush out the penis. It CAN bring sperm left in the penis from the last ejaculation to the tip of the penis, but only if urination hasn't taken place since the last ejaculation.

What does this mean? Basically, you pretty much can't get a woman pregnant using the withdrawal method if you have gone pee since the last time you have ejaculated. People that get pregnant using this method get pregnant because the male is inexperienced and hasn't learned to control his climax yet, the male secretly wanted to get the female pregnant, or the couple is having sex multiple times a day like a lot of teens do, and the guy hasn't flushed his pipe since the last time he had sex or masturbated.

My wife and I used this method for 11 years. When we finally decided to have a child, we were pregnant in weeks. While condoms are effective, they make sex awful for a lot of people, and hormonal birth control can have devastating effect on a lot of women. We decided not to use those methods for those very reasons. Add to this, my wife is a nurse and here sister is a doctor, so she was well educated in what's fact or fiction in this area. This is obviously not good advice to tell teens because let's face it, most teens are irresponsible and too inexperienced at sex to use this method much like the rhythm method. Teens are also at a much greater risk for STI's too. This means that we should be grinding into their little heads to always use condoms.

With all that being said, correctly using the withdrawal method with spermicidal lubricant is actually more effective than the pill and is dead even with correct use of condoms in regards to preventing pregnancy. I would only recommend this method to those that are experience with sex and in monogamous long term relationships, due to the fact that one is still at risk for STI's.
Thanks for the science lesson. It's a very different thing trusting your spouse to "withdraw" when you've decided you've both decided you don't want kids. Do you think there is ANY WAY IN HELL I would trust a hookup, FB, or FWB to pull out when "it just feels so good"? So what works for you is fantastic...but it doesn't do a thing for the majority. And of course it doesn't address the issue of STI's....so yeah...not many married folks use condoms anyway.
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Old 04-20-2016, 07:07 PM
 
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Agree that you don't have to be promiscuous to get an STD or get a woman pregnant. That's why you should always use protection.

Again, STD's are horrible - but unwanted pregnancy is horrible too. Both can affect you negatively for the rest of your life: if an STD is incurable you'll always have it. And, if you get a girl pregnant & she has a kid/kids, you'll be legally/financially responsible for the kid for years - even if you don't want to have anything to do with the mother.

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Even though I'm a woman, I carry shields (condoms) on my person just in case I "do the damn thing."
I wish more women felt comfortable carrying condoms. When I was in high school, many guys thought that girls having condoms meant they were "easy". However, I was one of those guys that never felt that way - I always though those girls were "smart"!
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Old 04-20-2016, 07:56 PM
 
Location: The World
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There is no sperm in pre-ejaculate. That's something that we were taught as kids. It's a scare tactic that increases the use of condoms, which is a actually a good thing for young people. The truth is that purpose of this fluid is to flush out the penis. It CAN bring sperm left in the penis from the last ejaculation to the tip of the penis, but only if urination hasn't taken place since the last ejaculation.

What does this mean? Basically, you pretty much can't get a woman pregnant using the withdrawal method if you have gone pee since the last time you have ejaculated. People that get pregnant using this method get pregnant because the male is inexperienced and hasn't learned to control his climax yet, the male secretly wanted to get the female pregnant, or the couple is having sex multiple times a day like a lot of teens do, and the guy hasn't flushed his pipe since the last time he had sex or masturbated.

My wife and I used this method for 11 years. When we finally decided to have a child, we were pregnant in weeks. While condoms are effective, they make sex awful for a lot of people, and hormonal birth control can have devastating effect on a lot of women. We decided not to use those methods for those very reasons. Add to this, my wife is a nurse and here sister is a doctor, so she was well educated in what's fact or fiction in this area. This is obviously not good advice to tell teens because let's face it, most teens are irresponsible and too inexperienced at sex to use this method much like the rhythm method. Teens are also at a much greater risk for STI's too. This means that we should be grinding into their little heads to always use condoms.

With all that being said, correctly using the withdrawal method with spermicidal lubricant is actually more effective than the pill and is dead even with correct use of condoms in regards to preventing pregnancy. I would only recommend this method to those that are experience with sex and in monogamous long term relationships, due to the fact that one is still at risk for STI's.
This is all true. My husband and I have been using this method for six years and no pregnancy yet. I didn't do well on birth control, and neither of us want to use condoms.
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