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Old 11-24-2017, 07:52 AM
 
Location: God's Country
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I started taking it because I was having sleepless nights on and off for years. I was TIRED! Without it I'll still have sleepless nights. I'd rather sleep than not sleep when it's time to sleep. So I keep taking it at bedtime. Works great for me. No side effects thankfully!
Same here. I've been taking Ambien for years with no side effects and it works. I take a 10mg half it and then half it again. No plan to stop.
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:57 AM
 
Location: Somewhere, out there in Zone7B
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I take 10gr of melatonin before bedtime. I had tried it years ago and it didn't work. Then someone told me it takes a month to get in to your system before you see the benefits. Since being off the Ambien, I haven't tried not taking the melatonin. It would take a month to see if I could sleep without it. Maybe something in the future I will try, but not right now.


FYI - anyone who has a Sam's Club card, at least at my local Sams, they carry the 10mg melatonin quite cheap.
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Old 11-24-2017, 10:24 PM
 
Location: southern born and southern bred
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Pippy have you tried Melatonin?
just saw your post my friend. I did indeed buy some tonight. How many mg is too much? I bought 10mg ones.
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Old 11-28-2017, 04:42 PM
 
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just saw your post my friend. I did indeed buy some tonight. How many mg is too much? I bought 10mg ones.
Gonna answer since I'm taking melatonin. The 10mg is fine. Just be patient, it can take a month to see if it works for you.
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Old 11-28-2017, 05:52 PM
 
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Unisom is said to be non habit forming but it is. I was taking double doses for years and my Dr. freaked when I told him. He sent me to a psychiatrist who put me on an actual tranq for 10 days? I think it was. To break my habit to the Unisom and regulate my sleep. Then, the task was to learn habits to sleep naturally. Might work for ambien too. Ambien, imo, is a horrible addiction.
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Old 11-28-2017, 06:43 PM
 
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Unisom is said to be non habit forming but it is. I was taking double doses for years and my Dr. freaked when I told him. He sent me to a psychiatrist who put me on an actual tranq for 10 days? I think it was. To break my habit to the Unisom and regulate my sleep. Then, the task was to learn habits to sleep naturally. Might work for ambien too. Ambien, imo, is a horrible addiction.
Ambien isn't addictive. You never need it any time other than when you're trying to sleep. With addictions (such as heroin), you need it whenever it starts to wear off.

Ambien wears off some time between 6 and 10 hours after you take it. Do you know anyone who needs a fix in the middle of the day? Probably not.

People who take Ambien, take it because they can't sleep. With some of us, it's a chronic problem. Long-term insomnia. If we wean off of it, we're back to not being able to sleep. If something else can get us to sleep instead of Ambien, then that's great. But some people need that particular drug, to do that particular thing, that other drugs and remedies can't do. It's got to do with brain chemistry. I've already ruled out most other remedies. Ambien works, I'm not going to literally lose another night's sleep looking for something else to take "just because it's not Ambien."
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:04 PM
 
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Ambien isn't addictive. You never need it any time other than when you're trying to sleep. With addictions (such as heroin), you need it whenever it starts to wear off.

Ambien wears off some time between 6 and 10 hours after you take it. Do you know anyone who needs a fix in the middle of the day? Probably not.

People who take Ambien, take it because they can't sleep. With some of us, it's a chronic problem. Long-term insomnia. If we wean off of it, we're back to not being able to sleep. If something else can get us to sleep instead of Ambien, then that's great. But some people need that particular drug, to do that particular thing, that other drugs and remedies can't do. It's got to do with brain chemistry. I've already ruled out most other remedies. Ambien works, I'm not going to literally lose another night's sleep looking for something else to take "just because it's not Ambien."
I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should do or not do, but yes it is addicting. And it's a hypnotic, which affects people who take it all day.

Ambien is in a class of drugs known as sedative-hypnotics. This non-benzodiazepine “z-drug” has the same medical effectiveness as benzodiazepines like Xanax without the same hazardous and habit-forming properties those drugs are known for. ... Although it is not as habit-forming as benzos, Ambien is an addictive substance

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Most Ambien addictions begin with a simple case of short-term insomnia. Some users underestimate the addictive potential of Ambien because it’s prescribed by a doctor and they only use it to help them sleep.

Ambien becomes less and less effective after taking it for more than a couple weeks. At this point, some users can’t stop taking the drug because their insomnia is even worse — they are incapable of sleeping without Ambien.
Everyone I know on it can't sleep without it anymore. Their bodies don't know how anymore.

Before long I needed to take a pill every night. If I tried to fall asleep naturally, I would have what’s called “rebound insomnia,” meaning I would be up all night as a result of taking the drug the night before.
- Writer and former Ambien addict Laurie Sandell, Glamour, 2008


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Despite the makers of Ambien touting the drug’s superiority over benzos, medical professionals have said users are still at risk of developing an addiction. In 2015, addiction specialist Dr. Michael Weaver published a report on sedative abuse in which he said, “Non-benzodiazepine z-drugs are also very popular and prone to many of the same problems as benzodiazepines.”

Ambien is a schedule IV controlled substance. According to the the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), this means people aren’t likely to use it recreationally. Despite this, many users have abused the drug for its euphoric and hallucinatory effects.
https://www.addictioncenter.com/sleeping-pills/ambien/
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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There are many reasons for sleep irregularities. A common cause of recurring problems is due to the difference between the Sun's regular 24 hr cycle vs your personal "bio-rhythm" which may be, say, 26 hrs.

Because those are fairly close, part of the time you're more or less in sync with the sun-- you're awake during daylight and asleep while it's dark. But every day you get a little more out of sync until you want to sleep days but work obligations etc force you to stay awake during the day while your hormones are set to stay awake at night and you can't force yourself to sleep.

You then cycle back and catch up with the sun again and you're ok for a while until you get out of sync again.
I have this or something similar. Also what is sometimes called 'long sleeping' and the two together are horrible. I need more sleep than most people to function, but I can't get even what most do. It's literally disabling. There is no cure. Advice is simply do not have a job that requires one to work set, early hours. So I had to make my own little business where I sleep when I need to, as long as I need to. Which is whakadoodle times. And they shift. And it's an effing ordeal to shift them when required to for anything. And my body won't always let me have all the sleep I need even with other factors controlled for, especially when stressed.
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Old 11-28-2017, 08:15 PM
 
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I'm not trying to tell anyone what they should do or not do, but yes it is addicting. And it's a hypnotic, which affects people who take it all day.

Ambien is in a class of drugs known as sedative-hypnotics. This non-benzodiazepine “z-drug” has the same medical effectiveness as benzodiazepines like Xanax without the same hazardous and habit-forming properties those drugs are known for. ... Although it is not as habit-forming as benzos, Ambien is an addictive substance



Everyone I know on it can't sleep without it anymore. Their bodies don't know how anymore.

Before long I needed to take a pill every night. If I tried to fall asleep naturally, I would have what’s called “rebound insomnia,” meaning I would be up all night as a result of taking the drug the night before.
- Writer and former Ambien addict Laurie Sandell, Glamour, 2008




https://www.addictioncenter.com/sleeping-pills/ambien/
I couldn't sleep without it before. That's WHY I take it. That's why many people take it. Also your quotes are all from an anti-Ambien website. Of COURSE it is going to only include rhetoric, hyperbole, scaremongering against Ambien. Try reading actual scientific data, instead of opinions written by people with an agenda to push.

Ambien is not chemically addictive. Period. Addicts need to continually have a drug in their systems in order to either function, or maintain their high. Ambien doesn't make anyone feel like they need to have more for either reason. You can function in the day, without taking Ambien in the day.

It doesn't have the same medical effectiveness as benzos. That's nonsense, the two types of drugs work on different parts of the brain, and do different things. The purpose of Xanax is to calm a person down, or take the edge off during stressful experiences. Xanax is not a sleeping pill, and it's not prescribed as a sleeping pill. Ambien is a sleeping pill. Its function is to make people sleep. It is NOT used to calm someone down, it isn't used to relieve stress, or take the edge off. It is used to sleep. It is ABUSED by drug addicts, for a high, but it's a lousy high because it makes you sleepy. That's a good thing, because that's what it's for. If you're an insomniac, and it makes you fall asleep, then it's doing its job.

The major downside are the side effects - none of which are addiction. The secondary downside is if you have been taking it for awhile and want to stop taking it, you need to reduce your dosage over a period of time, rather than just stop suddenly. This is true for MANY medications that are taken regularly over a period of time. That includes antidepressants - which are also not addictive.
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Old 11-28-2017, 09:04 PM
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My experience with Ambien was awful. I was taking other medications so it might have interacted with them, but more likely the way I don't absorb things right would make it a toss of a dice. Somethings I'd wake up hours early, on edge and needing to do something but couldn't slow down enough. Others I was deep in my head and didn't know how to get out. I tried it after I'd quit the other stuff, and it did the same. I tossed the rest.

I'd 'wake' up and remember watching some movie on tv the night before, but then I'd gone to bed early and there was no sign I'd been up. But I watched it again and did remember the right movie down to the details. But I didn't remember getting up or any of that. In addition to the general wierdness it caused this vaguely disconnected feeling.

The bad part was my doctor didn't seem to concerned and shrugged it off. He said I wasn't taking 'enough' for that. But who CARES if it should or shouldn't, it did. He didn't say to stop. This sort of thing, this lack of caring made sure I'll forever deal carefully and with doubt with those of the profession who can't bother to interrupt their usual spiel when it doesn't fit.

When I got off all of it I found sleep wasn't a problem nor was wierd nervous dreams. But the ambien definately did not work for me.
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