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Old 05-16-2016, 05:13 PM
 
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I love vegan, honestly. I could do it easy if it weren't for my other half. The animal fat in the typical diet is behind diabetes in many cases.

I do like the thought: Cow milk is for cows. No. Cow milk is for BABY cows. On the other hand, all mammals can thrive on goat milk. I was raised on it.
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Old 05-16-2016, 05:22 PM
 
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Nobody over 18 or so should be drinking milk except a pregnant/lactating woman. There are so many hormones in milk that it is known (by the experts [yes, I'm one of them] - not reported by the clowns on TV, and not revealed by the NIH [conflict of interest - ADA involved here]) to be a significant (possibly overwhelming) risk factor for breast and prostate cancer. Never assume that "safe" hormones are used in the dairy industry! Named, re-named, minimally re-formulated, just to play cat 'n mouse with the FDA (which has its own integrity to "protect"), it takes "tons" of hormones to make a cow produce enough milk to make it profitable. That's all you need to know.


I can't wait until the day this cause of breast and prostate cancer "epidemic" is finally revealed...if ever, because of so many government agencies, lobbyists, and politicians involved. Let's just say, we're not holding our breath on this one.
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Old 05-16-2016, 06:37 PM
 
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I drink milk with no added hormones. From what I've read it's had a bad effect on us.
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Old 05-17-2016, 08:00 AM
 
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Nobody over 18 or so should be drinking milk except a pregnant/lactating woman. There are so many hormones in milk that it is known (by the experts [yes, I'm one of them] - not reported by the clowns on TV, and not revealed by the NIH [conflict of interest - ADA involved here]) to be a significant (possibly overwhelming) risk factor for breast and prostate cancer. Never assume that "safe" hormones are used in the dairy industry! Named, re-named, minimally re-formulated, just to play cat 'n mouse with the FDA (which has its own integrity to "protect"), it takes "tons" of hormones to make a cow produce enough milk to make it profitable. That's all you need to know.


I can't wait until the day this cause of breast and prostate cancer "epidemic" is finally revealed...if ever, because of so many government agencies, lobbyists, and politicians involved. Let's just say, we're not holding our breath on this one.
[citation needed]
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Old 05-17-2016, 10:23 AM
 
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Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone


The available evidence can be summarized as follows:

Neither natural nor synthetic BGH has been found to affect human growth hormone receptors.
IGF-1 concentrations are slightly higher (to variable degrees, depending on the study) in milk from cows treated with rBGH than in untreated milk. This variability is presumed to be much less than the normal range of variation of IGF-1 in cow's milk due to natural factors, but more research is needed.
IGF-1 in milk is not denatured (inactivated) by pasteurization. The extent to which intact, active IGF-1 is absorbed through the human digestive tract remains uncertain.
One study estimated that the additional amount of IGF-1 that might be absorbed by humans drinking milk from rBGH treatment, assuming no degradation and complete absorption, represents 0.09% of the normal daily production of IGF-1 in adults.
Before approving the use of rBGH in 1993, the FDA calculated a worst case scenario based on an infant drinking 1.5 liters (1.6 quarts) of milk daily, with complete absorption of intact IGF-1 protein and the maximum increase in IGF-1. Under these conditions, milk from rBGH-treated cows would contribute far less than 1% of the infant's normal daily production of IGF-1.
At least 8 other national and international review committees have evaluated the evidence concerning potential health effects of rBGH on humans and dairy cows. These reviews (and the most recent year they convened) are listed below. Several of these reports document adverse effects on cows, including higher rates of mastitis, foot problems, and injection site reactions.

The Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives (1999)
Health Canada (1999)
Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada (1998/9)
Canada Veterinarian Association (1998/9)
Commission of the European Communities (1988/9)
US National Institutes of Health (1990)
American Medical Association (1991)
Health Care Without Harm (2007)
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Old 05-17-2016, 04:48 PM
 
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Nobody over 18 or so should be drinking milk except a pregnant/lactating woman. There are so many hormones in milk that it is known (by the experts [yes, I'm one of them] - not reported by the clowns on TV, and not revealed by the NIH [conflict of interest - ADA involved here]) to be a significant (possibly overwhelming) risk factor for breast and prostate cancer. Never assume that "safe" hormones are used in the dairy industry! Named, re-named, minimally re-formulated, just to play cat 'n mouse with the FDA (which has its own integrity to "protect"), it takes "tons" of hormones to make a cow produce enough milk to make it profitable. That's all you need to know.


I can't wait until the day this cause of breast and prostate cancer "epidemic" is finally revealed...if ever, because of so many government agencies, lobbyists, and politicians involved. Let's just say, we're not holding our breath on this one.
Since you are a self proclaimed "expert" you should have no problem listing numerous references and studies supporting this "significant" possibly "overwhelming" link between cows milk and breast/prostate cancer.....

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Old 05-17-2016, 08:01 PM
 
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I have to say, I have truly never understood this argument. By this line of reasoning, nothing that a human eats (other than human breast milk) can be said to be "for a human":

Eggs are for making baby birds.

Honey is for the survival of a bee hive.

Meat is muscles that animals need to move around.

Seeds and fruits are for making new plants.

Vegetables (leaves, roots, stems) are parts of plant that it needs to survive.

Clearly, people need to eat, so everyone ignores at least some of these facts. You might argue that one or more of the above are not healthful foods for one scientific reason or another, or you might claim that some are morally or ethically questionable. But to say a certain food is "not for humans" is a specious argument.
if you haven't noticed every mammal makes their own kind of milk for a specific time in their lives. That every mammal's milk is nutritionally different means that it is not meant for other mammals, esp if they are weaned! invalid analogy
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Old 05-17-2016, 10:03 PM
 
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Since you are a self proclaimed "expert" you should have no problem listing numerous references and studies supporting this "significant" possibly "overwhelming" link between cows milk and breast/prostate cancer.....

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I am the citation. You're apparently the college student. Getting citations is what you do. Get to work. Just be sure that your sources have no...let's say, "connections."
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Old 05-17-2016, 10:07 PM
 
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I am the citation. You're apparently the college student. Getting citations is what you do. Get to work. Just be sure that your sources have no...let's say, "connections."
As I thought.....

You have nothing but the conspiracies in your mind
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Old 05-17-2016, 10:46 PM
 
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I had citations.


Actually I was surprised, I thought studies showed the hormones were doing all kinds of damage.... but... not.

I'll stay with my organic, no hormone added, because with food I go with simplest and most natural when I can.
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