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View Poll Results: Do you have side effects with statin drugs?
Yes – I have developed a side effect taking the drug 20 50.00%
No – I take the drug but no side effect 16 40.00%
Don’t know – I don’t know if my issues are side effects or not. 4 10.00%
Maybe – I didn’t know statin drugs have any side effects 0 0%
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Old 10-06-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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Sure it is. Do I believe you or a doctor?

Why Fructose Puts On Belly Fat…and How to Avoid HFCS
Dr. Richard Johnson: How Fructose Turns On Your Fat Switch



Alcohol does (in excess). ALL grains increase triglyceride levels regardless of refined or not. Sugar of course does. Saturated fat DOES NOT increase trig levels in the ABSENCE of carbohydrates. The absence part is the key to this. Fat without carbs does not cause health issues related to lipids. So what is the culprit here?

Again, do I believe you or a doctor? Whole grains contain plenty of carbohydrates last time I checked.

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High triglycerides driven by carbohydrate consumption

This one is a good one and gets very scientific.
How NOT to have HIGH TRIGLYCERIDES
Thanks for posting these articles!
Helped me how to keep Triglycerides low!
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Old 10-06-2016, 09:46 AM
 
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I guess you should believe both a doctor and me. Both articles are talking about sugar, not fruits. In the first article, there is no mention of fruits at all. In the second, he says that fruits are not a problem.
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:01 AM
 
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I guess you should believe both a doctor and me. Both articles are talking about sugar, not fruits. In the first article, there is no mention of fruits at all. In the second, he says that fruits are not a problem.
What are your opinions regarding

Oat Meal?

It is so praised to lower Cholesterol, the bad one, in a natural way.

True? and does it have also an effect on the Triglycerides, keeing them low?

Thanks
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:11 AM
 
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Again, do I believe you or a doctor? Whole grains contain plenty of carbohydrates last time I checked.

Above quote from this page
High triglycerides driven by carbohydrate consumption

This one is a good one and gets very scientific.
How NOT to have HIGH TRIGLYCERIDES
I notice there is no reference in either of those regarding any science that shows whole grains raising triglycerides.


There is, however, a whole body of scientific research linking whole grain consumption to a variety of health benefits (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20565994).

These include:
Also, whole grains having no negative effects on triglycerides (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21470820).

Personally, I will believe what the science says vs. a doctor or two whose agendas are to hock their diet books and who have very minimal or no training in the field of nutrition.

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Old 10-06-2016, 11:37 AM
 
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What are your opinions regarding

Oat Meal?

It is so praised to lower Cholesterol, the bad one, in a natural way.

True? and does it have also an effect on the Triglycerides, keeing them low?

Thanks
Oatmeal consumption lowers cholesterol (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22866937). Probably has no effect on triglycerides. These are more affected by saturated and trans fats.
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:00 PM
 
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Oatmeal consumption lowers cholesterol (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22866937). Probably has no effect on triglycerides. These are more affected by saturated and trans fats.

Thanks, it is my daily breakfast!
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Old 10-06-2016, 12:48 PM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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I notice there is no reference in either of those regarding any science that shows whole grains raising triglycerides.


There is, however, a whole body of scientific research linking whole grain consumption to a variety of health benefits (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20565994).

These include:
Also, whole grains having no negative effects on triglycerides (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21470820).

Personally, I will believe what the science says vs. a doctor or two whose agendas are to hock their diet books and who have very minimal or no training in the field of nutrition.
As for your government studies, those are the worst offenders. Any politician or government agency can be paid off by lobbyists. The lobbyists represent different industries. It could be the sugar industry, the grain industry, the beef industry etc. Special interests rule. Doctors can be paid off as well but usually by big pharma (or their reps)

I look at it like this. Grains are used to fatten up livestock. A major one is beef. Not only that, grain fed beef is the worst for you. Everyone tells you if you have to eat beef, eat grass-fed beef. Grass is the food that was put on this earth for the animal to eat. It is a herbivore plain an simple. Same goes for many other animals. As for humans, there are foods what we were designed to eat and there are foods that we were not designed to eat. Grain is not one of them. Sure there are wild grains that grow naturally but the grains that people eat are genetically modified, radiated, full of pesticides, overly processed etc. They not only cause weight gain but a variety of other problems as well. I for one don't believe everything I read or am told by the "health authorities". Just look at the overall health of our citizens in this country. Are we all the perfect picture of health? I would say the contrary. Something is not right. It is special interests and the mighty dollar that dictate what we are "fed", pun intended. Health has nothing to do with it.

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Old 10-06-2016, 01:10 PM
 
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Oh yes those fat cat lobbyists and their favorite food industries.

Personally, I got tired of the oatmeal breakfast and used to fancy it up to give it some pizzazz but I'm off it for months. This morning I had a salmon filet and cole slaw. Tomorrow morning it will be a "clean" sausage cooked in coconut oil and eggs.

I'm not the normal american bread (grains) and cereal breakfast person.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:18 PM
 
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I am prone to kidney stones. Amazingly I have never had pain from a kidney stone, just urinated blood. I had to have one of my kidneys removed due to transitional cell carcinoma. I go for a cystoscope every six months and also a ultra sound every year. I do take statins, have for 20+ years. Anyway, that is my experience, for what it's worth.
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Old 10-06-2016, 01:21 PM
 
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Oh yes those fat cat lobbyists and their favorite food industries.

Personally, I got tired of the oatmeal breakfast and used to fancy it up to give it some pizzazz but I'm off it for months. This morning I had a salmon filet and cole slaw. Tomorrow morning it will be a "clean" sausage cooked in coconut oil and eggs.

I'm not the normal american bread (grains) and cereal breakfast person.

Dairy Industry Annual Revenue- $100 billion.


Meat Industry Annual Revenue- $186 billion.


Yeah, there sure are no Dairy and Meat Industries paying for lobbyists and trying to influence scientists. That would never happen.
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