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View Poll Results: Do you have side effects with statin drugs?
Yes – I have developed a side effect taking the drug 20 50.00%
No – I take the drug but no side effect 16 40.00%
Don’t know – I don’t know if my issues are side effects or not. 4 10.00%
Maybe – I didn’t know statin drugs have any side effects 0 0%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-07-2016, 07:06 AM
 
Location: NYC
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About 13 years ago my husband was on simvastatin for a few years with no problems. Then we moved to a new area and a new doctor who believes if you have no underlying health issues you should not take cholesterol medication. My DH was healthy in all ways except for his cholesterol so she took him off the simvastatin.

Flash forward to today, 10 years later, the same doctor recommended a heart calcium scan. My DH's #'s were on the high side of the scale and he has plaque on his heart. Our doctor "now" tells him to see a cardiologist. We went yesterday and he was stunned that my DH was taken off the statins and instantly put him back on and told him to change his diet. He also said that being off the statins more than likely caused his high build up of plaque in his heart. Next up a stress test.


So just a heads up for those who have gone off the statins and their cholesterol is still high get a coronary calcium scan done. Ours was only $49.00 and well worth knowing how healthy our hearts are.

Overview - Heart scan (coronary calcium scan) - Mayo Clinic



BTW, thanks for those recommending the CQ10. I will ask the cardiologist about that. He also said for my DH to take one baby aspirin per day.
Your husband had CALCIUM builtup in his heart arteries, NOT Cholesterol. Obviously the calcium content in his blood was too high, that caused the buildup in his heart. Had nothing to do with the withdrawal of the statins.

Did your husband take or continue to take calcium supplements? How was his vitamin D3 level throughout the years? If it is too low it impedes the absorption of calcium from the blood into the bones, where it belongs, and ends up in the heart, kidneys (causing kidney stones) and other organs!
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Old 10-07-2016, 07:32 AM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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Yes'm
Moving away from fruits. Targeting Monday to be completely off of fruits and starches. This will be difficult but the fall months harvest is essentially done and I don't particularly like "fresh" winter fruit.

3 Apple trees, 8 varieties
1 crab apple (edible, most flavorful, June bearing)
4 Plums, 4 varieties
3 Prunes, 2 varieties
12 Blueberries, 5 varieties
2 Persimmons
1-Comice Pear
Many Asian Pears, 5 varieties
2 Mulberry, 2 varieties
1-acia berry
1 fig, access to 2 other varieties
3 variety of strawberries
Kiwi fruit
Jujube
And the tomatoes.


Doctor says that fruit fructose is different from HFCS.
I however can feel the effects just as fast or faster.

I am going to ask for blood sugar test strips and keep a diary of food eaten.
That's a lot of fruit. I especially love berries, kiwi and plums. Are you a diabetic? Why the concern over fructose?
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Old 10-07-2016, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Denver area
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Originally Posted by ylisa7 View Post
About 13 years ago my husband was on simvastatin for a few years with no problems. Then we moved to a new area and a new doctor who believes if you have no underlying health issues you should not take cholesterol medication. My DH was healthy in all ways except for his cholesterol so she took him off the simvastatin.

Flash forward to today, 10 years later, the same doctor recommended a heart calcium scan. My DH's #'s were on the high side of the scale and he has plaque on his heart. Our doctor "now" tells him to see a cardiologist. We went yesterday and he was stunned that my DH was taken off the statins and instantly put him back on and told him to change his diet. He also said that being off the statins more than likely caused his high build up of plaque in his heart. Next up a stress test.


So just a heads up for those who have gone off the statins and their cholesterol is still high get a coronary calcium scan done. Ours was only $49.00 and well worth knowing how healthy our hearts are.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-proc...e/ovc-20201884



BTW, thanks for those recommending the CQ10. I will ask the cardiologist about that. He also said for my DH to take one baby aspirin per day.
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Your husband had CALCIUM builtup in his heart arteries, NOT Cholesterol. Obviously the calcium content in his blood was too high, that caused the buildup in his heart. Had nothing to do with the withdrawal of the statins.

Did your husband take or continue to take calcium supplements? How was his vitamin D3 level throughout the years? If it is too low it impedes the absorption of calcium from the blood into the bones, where it belongs, and ends up in the heart, kidneys (causing kidney stones) and other organs!
Clearly the cardiologist doesn't know what he's talking about right?
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Old 10-07-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Clearly the cardiologist doesn't know what he's talking about right?
Yeah, because statins do not prevent calcium buildup in the heart arteries, too much calcium and lack of Vit D3 do.

Statins prevent CHOLESTEROL buildup in the heart, NOT calcium buildup!
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Old 10-07-2016, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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Yeah, because statins do not prevent calcium buildup in the heart arteries, too much calcium and lack of Vit D3 do.

Statins prevent CHOLESTEROL buildup in the heart, NOT calcium buildup!
The calcification comes from the cholesterol buildup and associated inflammation. Statins may help stabilize the calcification and prevent rupture of the cholesterol plaque. Rupture is what attracts platelets and causes clots to form which block the artery. This is a relatively new finding, so we will have to see whether further study confirms it.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/842499

Edited to add: Anyone can use Medscape. Login is free and you do not have to be a physician. You may choose not to get emails from them.

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Old 10-07-2016, 08:40 AM
 
Location: NYC
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The calcification comes from the cholesterol buildup and associated inflammation. Statins may help stabilize the calcification and prevent rupture of the cholesterol plaque. Rupture is what attracts platelets and causes clots to form which block the artery. This is a relatively new finding, so we will have to see whether further study confirms it.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/842499
NO, cholesterol does not cause calcification, calcium does., it's in the word "calcification."
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Old 10-07-2016, 08:56 AM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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NO, cholesterol does not cause calcification, calcium does., it's in the word "calcification."
It is the presence of the cholesterol in the artery wall, plus inflammation, that attracts the calcium. Calcification is the term that describes the presence of calcium.
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:01 AM
 
Location: NYC
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It is the presence of the cholesterol in the artery wall, plus inflammation, that attracts the calcium. Calcification is the term that describes the presence of calcium.
No, it's the other way around.

I am done with you, have a nice day!
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:53 AM
 
Location: midvalley Oregon and Eastside seattle area
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That's a lot of fruit. I especially love berries, kiwi and plums. Are you a diabetic? Why the concern over fructose?
Pre D-2.
on metformin and will probably kick it up to higher level.
Low starch diet and low fat/meat diet means that I have to get calories somewhere else.
Modifying diet to minimum starch, higher fat/oils and higher protein. However, I also have gout which doctor is saying is a result of high triglycerides.

Just finished off a cup of almonds in 12 hours.
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Old 10-07-2016, 10:13 AM
 
Location: NYC
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It is the presence of the cholesterol in the artery wall, plus inflammation, that attracts the calcium. Calcification is the term that describes the presence of calcium.
Yes, I know, but cholesterol has nothing to do with the calcification of the heart, the statins do by promoting the calcification, read below:

Statin Drugs May Accelerate Cardiovascular Disease
articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/10/15/...

Oct 14, 2012 · Two different studies conclude that the use of statin drugs may increase the calcification ..

Confirmed Again: Statin Drugs Accelerate Cardiovascular Disease
By Dr. Mercola

Statins are the world's most-prescribed class of medications. A staggering one in four Americans over the age of 45 now take cholesterol-lowering drugs such as Pravachol, Mevacor, Lipitor, Zocor, Crestor, and others. A majority of them are taking these drugs for primary prevention of heart attacks and strokes.

However, mounting research suggests this could be a critical mistake.

Most recently, two separate studies have concluded that progression of coronary artery calcification, which is the hallmark of potentially lethal heart disease, is INCREASED with statin drug use.

Statins Increase Prevalence of Coronary Calcification by More than 50 Percent!

A new study in the journal Atherosclerosis1 shows that statin use is associated with a 52 percent increased prevalence and extent of calcified coronary plaque compared to non-users. None of the participants in the study – 6,673 in all – had any known coronary artery disease at the time of undergoing coronary CT angiography (CCTA) – a non-invasive method that allows you to see coronary atherosclerotic features, including plaque composition.

Arterial plaque is a hallmark of cardiovascular disease and increases your risk of all-cause mortality, so clearly, anything that increases calcification and stiffening of your arteries is wisely avoided. And statins seem to fall into this category.

These disturbing findings come right on the heels of another study published in the journal Diabetes Care,2 which discovered that type 2 diabetics with advanced atherosclerosis who are frequent statin users have significantly higher amounts of coronary artery calcification compared to less frequent users of the drug.

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