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Old 05-24-2016, 07:08 AM
 
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How are you with using protein powder for smoothies or other things? PlantFusion is very good, from vegetable sources only, no whey or soy.
Never used these. I don't know why I have an aversion to these. They seem like fake food.....worse than processed in my mind. Would love to hear more if anyone cares to enlighten me.
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Old 05-24-2016, 08:12 AM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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The collective weight of peer reviewed research is very much against saturated fat, be it from dairy, eggs, bacon, or tropical oils.

By that metric, coconut oil is basically a heart attack by the teaspoon. While it may have specific uses (ie in cosmetics), consuming substantial quantities regularly is unwise given our current knowledge.

Searching pubmed.gov archives will offer empirically-based insights, rather than largely speculative, self-referential, and dubious claims by "doctors" with blogs driven more by "philosophy" than science.
The Inuit people consume a diet made up mostly of saturated fat and rarely see a vegetable and suffer from less chronic disease than most of us. IMO, it is the lack of carbohydrate that made a difference for the Inuit. Without the carbohydrate, the fat does not cause the problems we commonly associate with it.

The Inuit Paradox – High Protein & Fat, No Fruits/Vegetables and yet Lower Heart Disease and Cancer : The IF Life

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Man-made vegetable oil diets (margarine and other hydrogenated oils) are high in omega-6 fatty acids and convert into high levels of arachidonic acid (AA) in the body. The excessive amounts of AA in our omega-6-rich Western diets contribute to our chronic inflammatory degenerative diseases such as heart disease, asthma and arthritis.
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Old 05-24-2016, 09:34 AM
 
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Think about oils this way. is it solid at room temp? If so it will be solid in your blood.
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Old 05-24-2016, 10:15 AM
 
Location: McAllen, TX
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Think about oils this way. is it solid at room temp? If so it will be solid in your blood.
This has been the one of the biggest misconceptions. It's not quite that simple. To begin with, the body does NOT run at room temperature does it? The human body runs at around 98 degrees which is not room temp, but it gets way more complicated than that..

Saturated Fat: Good or Bad?
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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So much nonsense on this thread. Coconut oil is not magic. It is a commodity, and there is no conspiracy by the medical industry keeping us from knowing the magical powers.


The so-called health industry is a multi billion dollar industry, just like the industry of conspiracy (fear has it's own raging economy). There is a LOT of money being made on snake oils. Coconut oil follows olive, which follows avocado, which follows the magical margarine...another snake oil even before that. They are the oil du jour and making people RICH.


Eat fewer calories, more whole foods, get more exercise and you should be good. If someone says, "Big Pharma" in a sentence, ignore them...they have some anecdotal evidence to pass off that will; hopefully make someone else a buck.
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Old 05-24-2016, 11:43 AM
 
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There is a lot of truth in the Inuit life of foods: oils/proteins. I've never lived in Alaska but have been watching a lot of the discovery and national geo programs on the lives of people living in the outbacks and living off the lands and off the grids. They eat every part of the animal and the oils are so important to their lives. They work so hard to find their foods and live the way they have chosen. It's not for me, but I understand it all.

No they don't have coconut oil but many from the countries that grow coconut do live on that oil.

Thanks for the Inuit posting.

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Old 05-24-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: interior Alaska
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Heart disease and cancer are common heath problems of old age, and N. American Inuit peoples on average have much lower life expectancies - I believe it's something like 15-20 years less than the average American or Canadian now. Pre-colonization it was even lower by all estimates I've seen. Any information on how the northern diet affects or affected health should take this into account, which the linked article does not. To put it bluntly: people are dying of other things before they have the opportunity to die of a heart attack. Additionally, there is the fact that arctic life involved everyday hard labor to take into account - this is tons of daily exercise. Also, it is well-known that different genetic populations are susceptible to different ailments, another factor which must be considered. I think there is some "magical thinking" going on in that link, honestly. I am not trying to demonize fats, but this is not a reliable basis on which to generalize what people should eat for longevity.

Almost all the Alaska reality TV shows are largely fake, BTW.
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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My mom and dad and all my relatives didn't spare fats and lived into late 80's and 90's....
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Striving for Avalon
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No, the science is clear that saturated fat is perfectly fine, be it from dairy, eggs, bacon, or tropical oils.
Mark's Daily Apple (or other paleo-esque pro-bacon diets) don't pass the smell test, so to speak.
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Old 05-24-2016, 12:23 PM
 
Location: New Yawk
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The Inuit people consume a diet made up mostly of saturated fat and rarely see a vegetable and suffer from less chronic disease than most of us. IMO, it is the lack of carbohydrate that made a difference for the Inuit. Without the carbohydrate, the fat does not cause the problems we commonly associate with it.

The Inuit Paradox High Protein & Fat, No Fruits/Vegetables and yet Lower Heart Disease and Cancer : The IF Life
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0501165658.htm

"The data collected through this new investigation shows that the Inuit do have a similar prevalence of CAD to non-the Inuit populations, and in fact, they have very high rates of mortality due to cerebrovascular events (strokes). Overall, their life expectancy is approximately 10 years less than the typical Danish population and their overall mortality is twice as high as that of non-the Inuit populations."
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