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Old 06-21-2016, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Middle of the ocean
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My cousin has MS and with drugs right now she is mostly symptom free.

I agree that nutrition is a key component of managing acute and chronic disease. But to me, so is an Rx.

This morning I drank my greens before the gym (blech.... tastes like lawnmower) and gave myself an injection of Enbrel.

Unfortunately not all disease has a universal heal all-we can take, whether natural or Rx. We do the best we can to maintain our quality of life.

Anyone who is an "all or nothing" type is missing out IMO.
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Old 06-21-2016, 11:56 AM
 
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What angers me is that all the drugs the doctors pushed on my sister and I mean a LOT over years, injections, infusions, pills you name it..all to SLOW DOWN THE PROGRESSION as they told her....it has not slowed down the progression. I can't help but think had she NOT taken all the drugs, maybe she would be much better off. And cut out the sugars...she was a confessed sugarholic...don't doctors preach any of this to their patients, nutrition....I guess NOT.

Wonder why I am angry. Many do well with MS and management. LDN can be a big factor and how many specialists "push" this CHEAP medicine...it is a script BTW.

Then for years they kept her waiting with baited breath for stem cells. No way has that happened. A friend went to the Dominican Republic years ago for stem cells for the MS she deals with.


I'm not poo-pooing some RX drugs, BUT how many and to push more and more. LDN is inexpensive...to cheap for those big wigs to even think about.
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Old 06-21-2016, 12:08 PM
 
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What do you think happens to folks who DON'T take medications for MS??

They also decline horribly...

MS is a slowly PROGRESSIVE neurologic disorder....people don't decline from MS because of the medications they take....they decline from MS because of MS
Yep. My SIL was diagnosed with MS about 15 years ago. She refused treatment and within 6 years was in a wheel chair. Scans showed a large progression of the lesions on her brain since diagnosis. At that point, she finally agreed to treatment and it has slowed the progression of her disease dramatically. Not stopped it, but slowed it to the point where she's lost little additional function since. She now regrets not agreeing to treatment right away. She might have still ended up in a wheel chair, but probably not as soon.

It's been sad watching her struggle over the years. MS is a terrible disease.
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Old 06-21-2016, 12:16 PM
 
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There are many stories and how people deal with this dreaded disease..and I've watched my sister for a lot of years. She's barely in a wheelchair and has to be propped up, carried from bed to wheelchair, can't speak, her vocal muscles are gone, can't feed herself. And she wouldn't try LDN years back when I brought it to you as an idea. She's been in and out of hospital with wounds that do not heal. As I said, when my phone rings, I think is it about my sister.

I have nerve damage from hip replacement and was told about Sphingolin by a naturopath and sure enough it got rid of the BURN I lived with the over 5 yrs....this Sphingolin even works on the mylein sheath but I didn't even mention it to my sister's husband, what for?

Even grape seed extract is recommended for MS management, hard to believe huh? I told my sister about it many yrs ago and guess what, my words ignored.


So much good healing is kept hidden and quiet!!!!!

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Old 06-21-2016, 06:04 PM
 
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There are many stories and how people deal with this dreaded disease..and I've watched my sister for a lot of years. She's barely in a wheelchair and has to be propped up, carried from bed to wheelchair, can't speak, her vocal muscles are gone, can't feed herself. And she wouldn't try LDN years back when I brought it to you as an idea. She's been in and out of hospital with wounds that do not heal. As I said, when my phone rings, I think is it about my sister.

I have nerve damage from hip replacement and was told about Sphingolin by a naturopath and sure enough it got rid of the BURN I lived with the over 5 yrs....this Sphingolin even works on the mylein sheath but I didn't even mention it to my sister's husband, what for?

Even grape seed extract is recommended for MS management, hard to believe huh? I told my sister about it many yrs ago and guess what, my words ignored.


So much good healing is kept hidden and quiet!!!!!
Nothing is being kept "hidden and quiet".....

LDN may or may not be helpful for MS there certainly are not any large trials that prove it is effective for MS....or any of the laundry list of "diseases" it is touted to be a miracle cure for..

Sphingolin? a worthless supplement with again.....no evidence to suggest it does ANYTHING certainly no evidence that alters the progression of MS

Grape see extract is recommended for MS management by whom?? Not by an reputable sources for certain...

Here's the thing....the alternative crowd likes to crow about conspiracy theories and "Big Medicine" , the big bad "AMA" and "Big Pharma" lining their pockets trying NOT to cure diseases while ignoring the "natural cures" that are so obvious and CHEAP

Well guess what, if the natural "cures" actually WORKED even 1/2 as well as people seem to think there WOULD BE NO WAY TO KEEP IT QUIET...

Apparently cures for everything under the sun can be found at GNC if you only know where to look...
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Old 06-21-2016, 07:57 PM
 
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For anyone who believes in other than the major mainstream drugs, here is the latest from a friend with MS:

A little update on my former neighbor. She is challenged with relapse remission MS. I believe my sister's challenge is primary progressive. They are both 68. And both got unsure dx in their 20's.

My friend has been taking LDN now for probably 7-8 yrs when I told her about it...she believes it helps her to keep walking otherwise the legs get like noodles as she said. She ended up with a tumor a couple yrs ago and with surgery etc..she found herself off the LDN and her walking was worsening...she was off LDN about 3 months and went back on the it's made all the difference with her walking.

I just spent almost an hour on the phone with Val to catch up. She's also broken her hip and had to have a partial hip replacement, she is doing good and didn't have the protocol I had which has left me with my mess, the anterior.

So for this friend LDN is helping her to keep walking and have stronger legs.

I still contend, get rid of sugars/carbs as much as one will or can. Be aware.

The other health support group I'm a member of, there are MANY who swear by LDN for their MS management. I'd post their comments, but why bother. I know what I read from these members.
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:24 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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There are many stories and how people deal with this dreaded disease..and I've watched my sister for a lot of years. She's barely in a wheelchair and has to be propped up, carried from bed to wheelchair, can't speak, her vocal muscles are gone, can't feed herself. And she wouldn't try LDN years back when I brought it to you as an idea. She's been in and out of hospital with wounds that do not heal. As I said, when my phone rings, I think is it about my sister.

I have nerve damage from hip replacement and was told about Sphingolin by a naturopath and sure enough it got rid of the BURN I lived with the over 5 yrs....this Sphingolin even works on the mylein sheath but I didn't even mention it to my sister's husband, what for?

Even grape seed extract is recommended for MS management, hard to believe huh? I told my sister about it many yrs ago and guess what, my words ignored.


So much good healing is kept hidden and quiet!!!!!
It is important to remember, for every horror story one can recite there are probably a thousand positive stories. Yes, some doctors for over prescribe meds, but the secret word here is "some"
As for not having a totally positive result after any replacement, a good orthopedic doctor will tell you, there are no 100% guarantees. That is why it is considered elective surgery. We make the choice and hope for favorable results. Sometimes it just doesn't happen.

BTW; you certainly know a lot of people with health problems that have not been helped by traditional medicine. I am almost 80 years old and can't say I have any friends who fit that group; or maybe one, my old fiancé from college. We are still in contact and he does follow both traditional medicine and alternative.
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Old 06-22-2016, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Here's what will make you compromised or dead:

Statins
Antibiotics
Psycho meds
Anticoagulated
Brochdilstors
Insulin
Lidocaine
And not the diseases for which they have been prescribed in the first place
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Old 06-22-2016, 06:53 AM
 
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Bottom line so many trust and believe in drugs and their doctors and many of us do not.

I've taken a few abx drugs in my almost 78 years but thankfully not a lot. I work to keep my immune system in good shape and strong.

Abx drugs have their place and I know my body was bombarded with IV's abx during hip replacement surgery. I've taken amoxicillian a couple times for dental issues but now since using coconut oil so much I've been good in dental world.

A good alternative for abx drug is Echineaca and I've been known to rely on this herbal.

I had an ear infection about 10 yrs ago during March winds and had to end up with abx drug..I tried to avoid it but went to one from an MD.

I'm hypertensive and hypothyroid. I take medication for both. I had my aortic valve replaced in 2005 due to a congenital defect that worsened over time. I had colon cancer, tumor resected, chemotherapy, no recurrence for 7 1/2 years.

I see my PCP twice a year. I see my oncologist once a year. I see my family several times a week. I live in my own house, take care of my own needs. Right now, I'm waiting for the laundry to finish. And I'm cooking chicken to take to a neighbor. Yesterday, I made my bi-monthly trip to Walmart for paper products and coffee. (They sell my brand for a buck and a quarter less than my local grocery chain.)

I'm 80. You're right behind me. I'm glad you have experienced good results from your regimen and non-reliance on modern medicine. But in the grand scheme of things, nobody gets out of here alive. At some point, we'll both be gone. At that point, I don't think it matters how we lived.

OMT: At my age, I have no intention of giving up sugars and carbs - there are precious few joys in life and not long to indulge.
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Old 06-22-2016, 07:01 AM
 
Location: Paradise
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OMT: At my age, I have no intention of giving up sugars and carbs - there are precious few joys in life and not long to indulge.

Bravo for you!!

(no snark)
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