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Old 09-16-2016, 03:34 PM
 
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"Despite the patients being predominantly female, like all specialist areas of health, historically gynaecology has been dominated by male doctors. However, in recent times as many of the barriers to access the education and training required to successfully practice gynaecology were removed, women have started to outnumber the number of men in the field.[6] There are a number of reasons for this, ranging from women being motivated to become gynaecologists after having bad experiences with male doctors to men choosing to specialize in different fields.

Possible reasons reported for the decrease in male gynaecologists range from there being a perception of a lack of respect from other doctors towards them, distrust about their motivations for wanting to work exclusively with female sexual organs[7] and questions about their overall character,[8] as well as a concern about being associated with other male gynaecologists who have been arrested for sex offences and limited future employment opportunities.

Surveys have also shown a large and consistent majority of women are uncomfortable being forced to have intimate exams done by a male doctor. They are also less likely to be embarrassed, so as a result talk more openly and in greater details, when discussing their sexual history with another woman rather than a man, leading to questions about the ability of male gynaecologists to offer quality care to patients.[9] This, when coupled with more women choosing female physicians[10] has decreased the employment opportunities for men choosing to become gynaecologists.[11]

As women are becoming presented with a choice of their doctor's gender, their preferences are starting to being questioned too. Almost 70% of respondents to an online poll agreed it is normal for a husband to 'hate' that his wife saw a male gynaecologist.[12] While there have also been reports of relationships having ended due to selection of a male gynaecologist [13] with some men feeling their partner's desire to have another man touching and penetrating their sexual organs for a routine check-up when there were capable and qualified women available an act of infidelity. Interviews with male gynaecologists where the doctors openly admitted they liked being 'hit on' by some patients while performing intimate exams further underlined many of the suspicion towards men choosing to become gynaecologists.[14]

In the United States, it has been reported that 4 in 5 students choosing a residency in gynaecology are now female.[15] In Sweden, to counter the lack of demand for male gynaecologists, women have had the right to choose their doctor removed from them.[16] In Turkey, due to patient preference to be seen by another female, there are now few male gynaecologists working in the field.[17]

There have been a number of legal challenges in the US against healthcare providers who have started hiring based on gender of physicians. Dr Mircea Veleanu argued, in part, that his former employers discriminated against him by accommodating the wishes of female patients who had requested female doctors for intimate exams.[18] A male nurse complained about an advert for an all-female obstetrics and gynaecology practice in Columbia, Maryland claiming this was a form of sexual discrimination.[19] Dr David Garfinkel, a New Jersey-based ob-gyn sued his former employer after being fired due to, as he claimed, "because I was male, I wasn't drawing as many patients as they'd expected".[18]

So far, all legal challenges by male gynaecologists to remove patient choice have failed due to there being protection in law for 'bona fide occupational qualification' which in previous cases involving wash-room attendants and male nurses have recognized a justification for gender-based requirements for certain jobs."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynaecology

 
Old 09-16-2016, 03:36 PM
 
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Originally Posted by reneeh63 View Post
People aren't often that rational in how they choose who they vote for president...who they marry...who they sleep with...or how they pick a doctor...why does the OP care so much? This is his sole reason for living...and he makes a point of accompanying his girlfriends on their appointments, so he know whereof he speaks! He's quite "Sheldon-like" except he has "real" girlfriends.

And before the OP tries to ding me for an ad hominem argument - I readily stipulate that this is not something that can be argued logically, therefore he is fighting a losing battle and may well go to his grave huffing and puffing.
So this isn't something that can be argued logically because your position has no logic and reason backing it. Isn't that funny. My position has logic and reason backing it.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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And I could say the same about you. Why does what I post on here matter? I have presented facts to you, I have presented my personal opinion and reasonings, I have never attacked you or called you names. You seem to get offended or insulted when people question you about certain things, but you do the same back to us and criticize us if we refuse to answer your questions or we challenge you on something. I think you see things in very black and white terms, while the rest of us see the gray in between.

I disagree with you and I tried to get you to understand my, and other women's, point of view but you seem very intent on just saying "No, you're wrong" in return (or circling back to your whole "did you even read what I posted" response...deflect, deflect, deflect). I have agreed with and understand the FACTS you presented, but everything else I don't agree with because it's your personal opinion and how you think things should work. You don't think women should see certain male doctors? Fine. I'm glad you seem to be finding so many girlfriends who agree with you and allow you attend their private medical appointments.

I have had male doctors and I will in the future. A male OB delivered my first daughter and a different male OB will deliver my second soon. I plan to keep seeing this same male OB after she is born. I trust him, I have no reason to switch. I'm honestly not sure what else I can at this point because I just don't think you want to understand where some of us are coming from. In your mind you are right and nothing will change that.
As far as I remember I haven't had much problem with you at all on here. You haven't been rude or attacked my person. That reply wasn't directed at you.

I don't know why someone wouldn't answer questions about this topic unless the answer to those questions destroys the persons argument, which seems to be the case. I pick the questions I ask carefully. The questions are designed to show that people are being inconsistent. When people avoid answering them, the only thing I can assume is that the person realizes this and doesn't have a response that doesn't destroy their other arguments.

A logical argument presents premises that logically lead to a conclusion. If people do not agree on the premises there is no reason that they have to agree with the conclusion. If people agree with the premises but reject the conclusion they are being illogical.

Let me put it this way, if a husband and a wife are nudist swingers and have zero qualms about being naked or touched by members of the opposite sex, I would say there is absolutely nothing inconsistent with that woman going to a male gynecologist. She would happily lay naked infront of men, happily go to a male waxer etc. On the other hand if a woman is very modest and her husband is the only man that gets to see her naked and she has a choice between a male or female gynecologist. Then she is probably being logically inconsistent with her beliefs.

So why did you never answer my questions to you?
 
Old 09-16-2016, 04:19 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, Missouri
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apparently, a gyno exam is the same as a sexual or sexualizing experience??
 
Old 09-16-2016, 04:26 PM
 
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Just wondering: How comfortable would it be to see a female OB/GYN - is she was a lesbian?


Is it possible she became a doctor who gets to examine women up close and personal? Would she get the same sexual feeling that the OP attributes to a male doctor?
 
Old 09-16-2016, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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My degrees are in physics, my occupation is in computer science and I volunteer my time tutoring high school students in AP Calculus and AP Physics, who's parents can't afford to pay for tutoring.

I have spent no more than a couple of hours in this thread for my own entertainment. The real question is, why are you so worked up over the fact that I post what I do on here? It's funny that I have remained level headed and consistent while many in this thread do not. Do you know how many personal attack I have received in this thread alone. It's almost as if the other side doesn't have any logical arguments. Funny how that is.
I think personal attacks are defined very liberally on cd and by you. But if you think it's okay to be condescending, fine. And again - this is not a topic suited to logical arguments - apparently you don't realize humans are inherently illogical but can sometimes be brought around if there is truly an advantage. Where there is no substantive advantage to logic then why not go with what is easiest and simplest? Oh, there's a little logic and practicality that accidentally snuck in there!

For the sake of argument, if I as a female derive some secret "pleasure" from getting examined by a male ob/gyn, how is that any different from what you experience with your girlfriend when you accompany her for her pelvic? Is the point that it isn't acceptable for a woman to get excited over a man getting excited from seeing her "down there"? No, you think that any woman in her right mind should be insulted at even the possibility of such a thing happening to the point of needing to guarantee it can't happen by seeing a female...though there STILL is a small chance a female ob/gyn might get off as well....where DO you draw the line? Perhaps we should just train our partners to examine us medically and everyone can get off without guilt...with an increased chance of medical issues but, pish posh.

Oh, but you did say your GF(s) seemed to enjoy the kink as well....or was that ONLY because YOU were enjoying yourself? I just don't understand why some people get to enjoy it (you and male docs) but there is an ambivalence about women enjoying it - you also can't allow for the possibility that they just don't care!

Your arguments may be level headed but I think that's part of the kink...playing it cool and professional at the office but what happens after? And I'm being completely serious here - I do want to understand.
 
Old 09-16-2016, 07:47 PM
 
Location: too far from the sea
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